From: Chuck (ip017-12.dialup.edisontel.com)
Subject: Re: Clothes do not make the man
Date: April 9, 2003 at 1:37 am PST
In Reply to: Re: Clothes do not make the man posted by Shelby on April 8, 2003 at 6:38 pm:
Show me ONE medical school curriculum that includes ANY subjects taught for the purpose of intimidation and manipulation. It doesn’t exist. That is just pure garbage.
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It do exists, it's psycology and it's one of the first thing my mother was taught, but I'm not arguing that you weren't taught that, just different experience
I worked for years as an allied health professional in civilian practice and in military practice and NEVER once did I see any patient intimidated into treatment they didn’t need. Quite the opposite, I know of many occasions when patients have gone to doctors demanding surgeries they didn’t need, only to be turned away. An ethical doctor or surgeon will not do this.
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Yeah, like not.
If the rule was what you experienced and the exception what I experienced there wouldn't be so mucy donunciation in medicine.
40% of people that die in hopistal, hase been showed to die because of medical neglicence, while 40% get allopathic disease because they have been advised to have useless surgery or cure.
A great deal of them have been convinced by fear or by frightening the patience make him/her believe that he/her would die if him/her doesn't get the surgery.
Six months ago, hundreds of doctors have been jailed/charged has it was found that they used expired drugs, and received free vacation of money by Pharamceutical Companies by doing it.
I don't remember the exact data or the name of the Medical Jounalists who discovered many of these business.
I will try to find more about this.
Convince the patience is an important matter for medicine, and when the doctors hasn't been able to convince the patience they consider it a failure.
Some books explain also how you can eventually convince the parents to declare the patience "no able to intend" so as that they can decide for him/her; and I saw this happening many times.
And an ethical surgeon doctor DO THIS, because they don't find this unethical but just the best way to operate for the sake of the patience
And as spread or fear of germs is just a ridicolous hoax contrary to anything that logical os scientifica in medicine, asepticism in order to "prevent" imaginary infections is less professional than those doctors that started following a different direction for what concerns germ and viruses and therefore they don't any longer feel the need to be aseptic.
Yep, when I see asepticism I just think "look, an ignorant who studied straight statements and never asked for the explanation of them"
I repeat, almost all the greatest jenious on this world have been peculiar, original and not-standard people.”
I know a number of brilliant people in my community, my two best friends happen to be among them. These two friends are among the most intelligent people I know, but they have no need to flaunt it. They dress conservatively, and behave in a respectful and gentle demeanor
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Please, don't treat me like an idiot !!
My statement was clear, and also was clear what I was trying to claim.
I NEVER NEVER told that a scientist that dress in a conservatively and behave in a standardized way IS NOT serious or able to do his/her work or not intelligent and honest.
I was just trying to say to you that what a person WEAR, or how it behaves HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE OR CREDIBILITY, as the greatest genious in this world have been always strange looking, strange bahaving, peculiar people.
But they may have been strange, yet they did know their science.
Their CLOTHS coudln't a way in which their talent could be recognized.
I was just saying to Graoundhug that if he is conditioned by cloths, then he will risk to lose the chance to meet or learn from great people.
Creating a healthy, germ-free environment is a huge part of professionalism.
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No, it's an idiocy.
If all that doctors, when they were in school inquired or asked for the WHY of what they doctrinately were taught, they would have known that germ theory and the theory that you got germ from dirt or dust is the most antiscientifical idiocy that one could make up
Yes, it is your opinion, and yet, throughout this response to me you present it as if it is data that doctors behave
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I never tried to present my experience has a data.
If you problem interpreting other's intentions you should stop interpreting them.
I don't care whether what I exoerienced is the rule or the exception (and I neither believe that you can say this) but some reports seem to suggest that medicine is more a criminal organization and honesty is the exception.
Anyway, I didn't say that all doctors are rapist ( I couldn't, it's not true) but I was suggesting that the psycological aspect of what they taught can play a major role in making them believe that there are no consequence for their actions.
Just remember that intimidation has always been part of the medicine.
It's possible that it wasn't taught DIRECTLY to you, but you can anyway feel the effet on instruction that years and years exerted.
It's an intrinsic factor, that reach your mind even though you're not aware of it.
Anyway, I'm going to try to find again the address or e-mail of that Medical Journalist that worked on the judiciary case against the fraudolent AZT tests, so you can talk with him and find that you little provincial or whathever experience has nothing to do with what medicine mafia is in truth
Oh yes, I remember now it has been John Lauritsen that within the Lancet reported old the medical crimes.
I think you should contact him, and let him exaplain you some of the (RULE nor EXCEPTION) deadly crime that doctors and medicine admittedly commit everyday.
As for intimidation I don't know where you could look at, my books are in a language you wouldn't understand and I can't translate all of them.
