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From: Shelby (cache-ntc-ad11.proxy.aol.com)
In Reply to: Re: Clothes do not make the man posted by Chuck on April 8, 2003 at 4:03 pm:
“I didn't say that it's true for every doctors (remember that I myself talked about allopathic doctors that I respect and that know their science) I was talking about wath is taught in medical school, and this is not only my experience but also the experience of many others.” It wasn’t taught in the medical school I attended, nor in the schools that the doctors and dentists I know personally attended either. “Medical school teach a very intimidatory or aseptic way of operate and also they teach a very strong unavoidable military-like hierarchy where the nurses must be always "bow" to the doctors.” Again, this does not represent what I experienced in school OR in practice. ”My mother herself studied for 15 years in medical school and when she nursed in hospital there were a lot of doctors, that because they were taught that they were semi-gods, wanted to go bed with her or simply rape her (as you name it) and when she said know her life become impossible and eventually she had to leave the hospital.” I’m sorry your mother had such a horrible experience, but again, in my years in practice, I never saw doctors intimidate nurses into sex. Frankly, they were too busy practicing medicine, as were the nurses. Does it happen, yeah, I’m sure that it does in some places and on some occasions, just as some priests force little boys to have sex, but that is the exception, not the rule. Well, then I guess I am severely deluded. ”There nothing more professional in this than just working completely naked, it's just a brainwashing.” Next time I have an appointment with a naked doctor, I’ll let you know how it compares. “I've a good amount of dossiers that show how medical school teach intimidation and asepticism in looking and in some school (as the one my sister attended) it is even a scholastic subject.” Show me ONE medical school curriculum that includes ANY subjects taught for the purpose of intimidation and manipulation. It doesn’t exist. That is just pure garbage. ”Intimidation in medical school is not seen as a BAD thing, but an important requirement for doctors who (according to their instruction)have to convince people that what they're going to suggest is the best for us and that there's no hapes in different direction.” I worked for years as an allied health professional in civilian practice and in military practice and NEVER once did I see any patient intimidated into treatment they didn’t need. Quite the opposite, I know of many occasions when patients have gone to doctors demanding surgeries they didn’t need, only to be turned away. An ethical doctor or surgeon will not do this. ”Now, this intimiditory character is used by some doctors to convince people as they REALLY CARE for they PATIENCES and they really BELIEVE that if they don't convince THEM, they would DIE, but it's an unquestionable fact that intimidation and asepticism is a part of the medical education and medical tools.” Medical students are not taught to intimidate. Aseptic practices are taught, yes, to prevent or control the spread of disease. There are more than enough legitimate needs to take up the time of doctors and their students. They are trained in a rigorous environment, to be sure, but not to train them in the fine art of intimidation, as you suggest. The training environment is rigorous in part because medical (and nursing) students have an incredible amount to learn in a short period of time. ”If you read the medicine hystory you will find that asepticism in looking, talking, and wearing is due to fear of germ, and this has nothing to do with professionalism.” Creating a healthy, germ-free environment is a huge part of professionalism. Without that professional effort, medical facilities would be rampant with the spread of infection and disease. “I repeat, almost all the greatest jenious on this world have been peculiar, original and not-standard people.” I know a number of brilliant people in my community, my two best friends happen to be among them. These two friends are among the most intelligent people I know, but they have no need to flaunt it. They dress conservatively, and behave in a respectful and gentle demeanor. ”I'm sorry you misunderstood my words, but this is my experience and this is also the reason why I took care to specify that what I said is IHMO !!!!!! IHMO !!!!!!! IHMO !!!!!!” Yes, it is your opinion, and yet, throughout this response to me you present it as if it is data that doctors behave in a damaging and intimidating manner by design and with ill-intent, being nothing more than rapists and opportunists out to take advantage of unsuspecting nurses and patients. It is not data, it is not the norm of experience and yes, it is ONLY your opinion.
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