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From: MM (71.209.28.234)
Subject:         Re: p.s.
Date: August 25, 2014 at 9:21 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: p.s. posted by heidi jane on August 25, 2014 at 8:18 pm:

Heidi:

i thought his license was 'suspended' not 'revoked'
and i don't know all the legits of keeping the title
also as just presumed once a 'doctor' always a
'doctor' no matter what is all, so if you are
correct that it is illegal then kudos to you for
speaking up and thank you also, on another thought
though, how ignorant as well as brazen can one be to
knowingly carry the title knowing it is illegal to
do so????

Me:

Page 4, last paragraph uses both the words
"revocation" and "suspension"; they mean the same
thing.

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/FinalOrderNet/folistbrows
e.aspx?LicId=4405&ProCde=501&discpln=DISCPLN

I agree that it's brazen to use that title after
having it revoked. Brazen is a good word to use.

You:

It is very unfortunate about what happenned to Leah
and I am not made out of stone and cried about it
and i also cried when i read all these bashing hate
posts against doug. if i were there when leah was,
i would have personally called an ambulance/cab and
took her even sooner to a hospital. there is a
closer hospital also and so why didn't she go to
closer hospital? I would have had an emt over there
transporting her via ambulance so that she could get
medical attention prompto vs. just sitting in a cab
with no medical attention.

Me:

I am glad you feel empathy for her plight and would
have tried to help. That is more than what others
did. The closest hospital was five hours away. Her
mother was a nurse and would've made sure she got to
the closest one.

Heidi,

I felt tremendous sadness when I learned about
Jane's death and was heartsick by the way Doug
responded. Had he apologized and said he was going
to make changes and incorporate blood tests back in
211 when I asked him on this board to do so, this
would never have happened to Leah. It was his
flippant dismissal and hiding of that thread that
led to Leah's experience and it was completely
preventable. That is why I'm so upset. This has been
going on for over a decade now and it's a pattern
with Doug not just a one-time forgivable offense.
Trust me, if he had apologized and tried to change
things I would still be a supported of his. I am
very disappointed in his reactions to his mistakes.
Everyone makes mistakes but it's how we deal with
them that determines what kind of person we are.
Doug has shown a callous disregard towards others
welfare that is in a league of his own and it's hard
to fathom really. I'm glad you at least have a heart
for people.

You:

I was told that what happenned to leah after fast
was over, and thus was all very unexpected as she
was all fine and dandy hiking/walking a long length
the day before all this and then her health turned
that fast in just 24 hours and so all there thought
she would be well soon without additional medical
attention and that doug checked on her on his time
when others were busy and elsewhere and grant also
checked with him verifying this, and you and
everyone else in your camp are all on a mission to
dethrone so to say doug

Me:

I understand and believe that you were told this.
Unfortunately, Doug has been caught in a lot of
lies. For example, he's told many people that Jeff
Nelson has been the one removing threads on this
forum whereas it's been Doug all along.

Doug said I was starting rumors when I reminded him
of the fasting death he admitted to in front of
class in 2009 in front of 15 people and he denied
it.

Many people have said they've caught him in lies.
Just the very act of putting "Dr." in front of his
name all these years when in fact he's had his
license revoked is a lie of sorts. Consider the
source of your information and judge accordingly. I
am all for giving people the benefit of the doubt
and did so for many years until he accused me of
lying when I know what I heard and there were
witnesses. When others told me of his many lies,
that just confirmed that this was a habit for him.

You:

Also, I would have been 'my own leader' by making a
video and blog all on my own without running off to
doug's main vocal hater of Harley to fight my
battles for me and same with leah's mom who also
contacted Harley first before making her video and i
would have made video closer to time after it
happenned also. also, leah had access to phone
there, and could speak verbally so why didn't she
just call for help on phone herself if this didn't
just unexpectedly happen day after she walked for
long length of time day before????

Me:

Some context here: I was contacted soon after this
happened (about February 2014) by the producer of 60
inutes of Australia to do a piece on this because
Leah's mother had gone to them to warn others about
Doug. Trouble was, nobody wanted to go on camera to
talk about what they saw/knew because they were
afraid and I only had second hand knowledge so they
couldn't use my testimony. I'm sure this frustrated
Leah's mom. So, Megan Elizabeth did an interview
with Michael Arnstein on Youtube about why Freelee
and Harley were no longer pioneers. I left a comment
below it asking Michael what he thought of the
death's/near deaths at Doug's fasting events because
I think that's worse than Harley and Freelee eating
cooked food and said so. So if they're going to kick
DR and FL off for promoting cooked food, what about
Doug for his worse offenses?

Harley must've seen that comment because THE VERY
NEXT DAY Leah's video was up. I am glad it happened,
but I agree that the timing and the fact that it
came out with DR and FL has caused some to view it
with suspicion as being used by Harley as a vendetta
for being kicked off of WFF rather than realizing
that this has been going since before this week.
Sadly, Doug's camp has been so silent, it was forced
to come out this way.

You:

how mean and blinded can all of them in charge there
be to just ignore leah and not help her if this
didn't just happen day after she was feeling great
and taking a nice walk for long time outside?

Me:

I don't know if I believe that she was doing that
well. You saw how she looked and you heard what the
hospital had to say. I think that's a story made up
by Doug's camp and I don't believe it. I'd like to
hear from Leah her side of the story

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