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From: MM (71.209.28.234)
Subject:         Re: It's still going on...
Date: August 25, 2014 at 7:44 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: It's still going on... posted by heidi jane on August 25, 2014 at 6:56 pm:

Heidi,

You:

it appears to me that you have a some type of
personal vendetta with dr. graham of which i don't
know what and why as even before this incident with
leah i remember you feeling same unfavorable way
about him.

Heidi, When was this? I haven't posted on this board
in years at least since 2011 when Jane died which is
not a vendetta as you call it, it's holding someone
accountable for a death which is a pretty normal
thing to do.

You:


you picked his brains and learned from him and now
you are going out on your own reinventing yourself
as 'the fruitdoctor' with your own site and videos
etc. etc. from all the info you've learned from dr.
graham.

Me:

Heidi, other than reading his book and going to his
culinary clinic in 2009, the way I have learn what I
have learned what by getting the same PhD that David
Klein has via The University of Natural Health where
some of the courses are indeed based on some of
Doug's work. However, other courses are based on
Shelton's work and others. I was interested in
Natural Hygiene WAY before I ever met Doug from
Harvey Diamond's book "Fit for Life" which I read
back in the 1980's.

You:

also why i wonder michelle
are you zeroing in so muchly on just dr. graham vs.
grant campbell who was also there when what
happenned to leah did as well as all the interns
there also.

Heidi,

You are mistaken. The other interns did not get as
sick as Leah and did not have to go to the hospital.
Also, if you have been reading my posts, I've been
posting about other people who fasted with him who
had turkey basters used on them for enemas, and
another woman by the name of Jane Mutti who actually
died. Plus, there was a man who died from fasting
with Doug in 2000 in Florida and this resulted in
Doug having his chiropractic license revoked for
malpractice so Doug "retired" instead of going on 2
years probation to get it back.


You:
i also wonder how many patients die at
others fasting retreats also...did you ever
investiage/research that informaiton and then go
after those who lead the fasting retreat like you
have been doing with dr. graham now?

Me:

Can you give me specifics? I banned Loren Lockman
from my Raw Natural Hygiene forum when I learned he
had fled the country instead of going to court when
a woman died while fasting with him. I have heard of
no deaths at True North. Can you provide me of
reports you have heard?

You:

personally if i were going to fast for the length
of time at doug's fasting retreat and for that kind
of money, i would do my homework thoroughly and
interview all the fasting leaders out there asking
lots of questions and interviwing asking questions
of past fasters and then doing a comparison of all
and thinking long and hard about it first and get
opinions of my very close loved ones also of it.

Me:

You would have had a very hard time making an
educated decision since Doug has removed all threads
when people tried to post about it and any interns
have been SILENT about what they know. Again, have
you been reading through this board? Doug has lied
repeatedly about his track record.


You:

do you know the ratio of doug's success/failure
rate with his fasters are from very beginning when
he started along with all the other fasting leaders
who do fasting retreats out there also?

Me:

Does it matter? With your line of reasoning we'd
have to have a high ratio of deaths before we put in
a stop light at an intersection where only four
deaths have occurred. I'll let you be the one to
explain your ratio theory to the surviving relatives
of those who have died okay?

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