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From: Jeff (
Subject:         Actually
Date: August 19, 2014 at 8:25 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Thanks doug. posted by Mr Truth on August 19, 2014 at 7:39 pm:

First, VegSource was founded in Oct of 1996, so we are less than 18
years old.

Second, the hack of VegSource happened in May of 1999, as
documented by Salon Magazine at the time, see:

Third, there is a very easy way to check by going to and
use the "wayback machine," which keeps images of sites from many
years ago. When you do you and you put in, you will
see that the Raw board was created in 1999 -- it did not exist before
that. It was first hosted by Juliano after I met him in San Diego. Then
Doug started in 2000, when his name was added.

Here is the front page of VegSource from April of 1999:

As you can see, we did not have a Raw board yet in April of 1999.

Here is the Raw board itself from June through October 1999, shortly
after it started:

As you can see, there is no Doug posting during those 4 months,
unless he was posting under another name.

Doug's posts first appear in 2000, see this page from

So I'm not sure how you can contend that "Doug did 20 years on
VegSource" when we haven't even been around for 18 years, and when
he first started posting on the board in 2000, which is 14 years ago.
You are repeating bad information, which sometimes happens in the
Raw world (and everywhere else). :)

I know it may feel like we've been around forever...

Not a big point, but since I am the one who first corrected Doug, I
wanted to show that I can back it up in a variety of ways.


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