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From: MM (
Subject:         Re: hey el-bo
Date: August 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: hey el-bo posted by el-bo on August 19, 2014 at 12:30 pm:

"the evidence has been sufficient for a while now,
at least for people to start being more than a bit
wary. discussions about the malpractices and
negligence at doug's retreats have been going on for
years now, and this whole leah issue could have been
avoided if
people started asking the right questions, instead
of waiting for incontrovertible evidence."

This is true. There are people who have told me
about four deaths that they knew of that Doug
personally told them about. And Doug mentioned one
of them at his 811 Culinary Class in Washington back
in 2009 in front of class and then when Jane died I
post about what I knew over at 30sucks which is no
longer up.

People did cartwheels over it and his true believers
refused to believe it.

I KNEW that another one was bound to happen and I
was not surprised at all when we heard about Leah.
The only difference this time is

1) Leah lived to tell her story so there couldn't be
a cover up although Doug tried to shut her up by
bribing her with her refund and

2) Harley and Freelee are finally sharing this which
they didn't after Jane died which they knew about
back then.

it's great to give the benefit of the doubt, but the
real problem in all of this has been all the
cowardly people who did not come forward with what
they knew and so they all bear the burden of being
guilty for this. We have a responsibility to share
this information when we know it for this very

i have lost so much respect with so many people over
this. It has really taught me a lot about how far
people will go and how few people have genuine
integrity and courage.

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