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From: Linda (50.151.156.153)
Subject:         Not Gossip!
Date: August 19, 2014 at 9:49 am PST

In Reply to: Re: The purpose of this forum posted by Michael on August 19, 2014 at 8:50 am:

No, Doug did not poison the water. Yes, sick people do come to the retreats. And yes, sick people might die. However, even if people gossiped, exaggerated or lied there are things we know that clearly show the truth about what happened.

Leah was at the retreat to fast (witnesses, other fasters)

She got sick there(witnesses, and man just looking at her face is enough....)

She went to the hospital to get treatment (witnesses, hospital records, etc...)

Doug wasn't there to help her during the retreat or after. (witnesses and common sense - if he was there for her he would be at the hospital with her)

Just those 4 easily provable things (not gossip) are enough. No we do not expect Doug to be "more than a man" we expect him to BE a man.

So many missed opportunities to show what kind of man he is or could be.

1. Be there for Leah (and others) more during the retreat (then the whole incident wouldn't happen or would be a lot less dramatic).

2. Take action and either cure her or if he can't take her to the hospital, hire a doctor or any other action that would save/cure her and again, make this situation less dramatic especially for himself.

3. If he didn't take action and waited till she had to go to the hospital (her mom had to take her) then be a man and go with her (also offer to drive here or pay for the taxi cab). That would make the drive less scary for all and he would be seen as a caring leader of a retreat.

4. If he forgot, couldn't or wouldn't go with her for whatever reason, come later, come the next day but show your concern. He has so much health knowledge despite not being a real doctor. He could talk to the doctors, offer advice to Leah, offer comfort to her mom.... which again would make this situation less dramatic.

5. Finally, if he didn't do all that (and he didn't) offer something afterwards to make this situation a little better. Refund, get well gift, admitting what happened, free retreat stays for her family when she gets better (although i'm not sure they would accept lol), but something to show that a person regrets what happened.


Yes Leah could've taken more charge of her health. If it was me I would go to the hospital almost right away (not because i'm so smart but because I couldn't bear to suffer those horrible symptoms). However, that is her business. Doug should expect all kinds of people to come to his retreat and those people come there to fast under his SUPERVISION. Therefore, it's called a SUPERVISED fast. If this happened when she fasted at home by listening to his videos and blamed him would people say that's BS? Yes they would. However, she was there to get advice, help and caring support from him. He, most of all, should know that and offer that even if it's just to protect his reputation and get more clients later.

"Man..it seems
you are the one who expects Doug to be more than a man
if you expect him not to have any deaths at his
retreats! " So... no, we don't expect there to be no deaths at his retreats, death can happen to anyone anywhere. However, we expect him to do everything in his power to try to prevent them.


Doug Graham, thank you so much for publishing the 80/10/10 book it has changed my life. However, what happened is unacceptable.

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