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From: Linda (
Subject:         Anybody else bothered by this? (parenting issues)
Date: August 11, 2014 at 11:58 pm PST

This doesn't exactly have to do with 811, more with natural hygiene lifestyle / attachment parenting.

As much as I care about people eating the species-specific food, I care even more about the treatment of children because non species-specific upbringing can do damage that lasts forever. All parents do some "damage" especially since we live in a civilized society, but some more than others.

Example: at a party I heard a woman say to her 4 year old son "It's time to go and it's bedtime as soon as we get home" and he begged "Can we have a little snuggle time before bed?" to which she answered coldly "we'll see" or something of that sort. Before that she criticized and picked on him all evening, "is he behaving over there?", "he's always getting into trouble", etc... This type of treatment bothers me to no end! I had a feeling that she just hated all men and was happy to take it out on her little innocent son...

Do any of you other parents run into this kind of thing? Why should a child beg for "snuggle time?" My 5 year old still sleeps with me and gets to snuggle anytime she wants, it's just part of her day instead of having to beg for it... I mean just thinking of him going home to his cold lonely bed and trying to prolong his time with mom before being forced to leave into his separate lonely room... Makes me so sad and mad. I'm not a perfect parent, plenty of things I know I'm not doing as I should be and I still continue to do them... but there are a few such common sense, simple, obvious things that can make or break a child and it just drives me crazy that many people don't do them. co-sleeping, respecting the child's wishes/opinions, giving them freedom and trusting in their abilities , letting them take care of themselves...

Even at 5 everyone around already notices the difference, my daughter acts "older" than many 7-8 year olds (that look for parents advice/commands in every situation...) Not that the goal is to get her to grow up faster, but to have independence as soon as you are physically/mentally able to in every area of life. What if parents die young? I would hope not, but stuff happens, I would feel much much better leaving an independent 6 year old than a cry baby 8 year old behind.

I remember as a child thinking that I'm already capable to do this and that and wondering why I'm still not allowed to... I don't want my daughter to go through that. It's a horrible feeling to not be trusted with your abilities and I mean at any age. For example, my daughter has been cutting her own nails with scissors since before she was 3 with no problems but everyone around gasped when they saw her do it at 4... Kids are able to do so much more so much earlier than they are "allowed"...

Anyway, sorry this has been more of a rant than a question... Possibly this isn't very on topic for this board but I know people here are interested in the natural, species-specific lifestyle so I thought this was the best place to share and I just had to get this off my chest tonight, these things has been bugging me well pretty much since I gave birth. Still, the question for other parents out there is do you often run into things like that and how do you deal with it? Even if I don't hang out with such people it's constantly on my mind that right next door there are little sweet kids in their locked/closed bedrooms crying in their little beds wanting to sleep with their mommy but not "allowed to". I mean the moms (usually) sleep next do the dad and dad next to mom. They get to have company/warm body, but the baby gets a cute little crib? I wonder who needs company more?

I strongly believe this incorrect upbringing messes up things for adults in everything, relationships, goals/inspirations, diet/lifestyle and just overall happiness and contentment in life. What do y'all think?

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