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From: dg (
Subject:         derek
Date: May 21, 2014 at 10:42 am PST

>What am I afraid of? The health of the human race. When I
see someone who is genuinely helping this world become ...

maybe he is. but he is also (hello doug!) subject to the
same monetary ethical distortions as other people, and when
you have thousands of dollars in the mix YOU WILL HAVE

dr graham should be subject to the same open critiques as
anyone else - this is the only forum with any visibility and
should imo be a place for support as well as an honest
assessment of pros and cons etc.

>The ordeal with Leah was due to a bacterial infection that
happened well after the fast.

you are incorrect as has been pointed out to you already as
dr graham is responsible for post feeding.

as well, he apparently wanted to prevent her from going to
hosp. now whether or not that was wise is open to debate,
especially since a past faster with doug (mutti?) was
apparently killed by the hospital, so i understand the
difficulty of these decisions. but doug's refusal to be
open is foolish. as is loren lockmans. fasting is
inherently dangerous and there is no oversight or any
consequences taken by the person monitoring for bad

>The truth is this case has nothing to do with fasting at
all in the least bit.

that is not true imo.

>Obviously I am not Dr. Graham. I am a real person and I
used to be on 30 bananas a day for 5 years until Harley
started mass deleting people after his de-pioneering at the
WFF and recently banned me for posting common sense
responses to his ego driven posts.

actually I know who you are and I agree with you regarding
some of harley's poor behavior.

HOWEVER, you, as most people do, paint things in black and
white and miss out on the valid points made, simply because
you have a personal problem with harley.

both YOU , and doug and harley are all highly subject to
strong biases since you are all affected by personality wars
and monetary biases. I, on the other hand, am subject to
neither a monetary or a personality bias and am therefore
the least biased person here.

So to accuse me of posting KNOWINGLY FALSE STATEMENTS as you
do below is absolute rubbish, as all I did was request that
doug respond with the facts . people have a right to know.
it will either dispel harley's statements or it won't .
hiding doesn't help anyone and implies guilty conscience as
I said.

> I know that Harley and yourself have posted knowingly
false statements on here so are you trying to say that you
are stating facts, because you are not.

>I think Dr. Grahams track record speaks for itself and he
has helped thousands of people (if not more directly or
indirectly) overcome all sorts of illnesses. This Leah case
actually confirms that. I don't understand why you keep
trying to blame it on Dr. Graham since he clearly did
nothing wrong.

rubbish. you have no idea whether he did anything wrong,
and At no point did I try to blame doug. I asked for
openness. dr doug hides things under the guise of "none of
your business", and "that's not the purpose of this board".

just like his poor handling of prior employee recently on
this board - callous and indifferent.

>I agree that people should take a look at things and use
all related info to make informed decisions before they
undertake anything, but what you are doing is not providing
people with any useful information. It's slanderous and is
not based in fact.

I have not slandered anyone. The payback for those who
avoid and hide is that people will question and uncover
facts. some of those facts are not very good for doug in my
opinion. has nothing to do with whether doug is a lovely
person . what I suggested and what harley suggested as well
is more honesty in the fasting community as it is dangerous.
you say the problems had nothing to do with fasting. I say
they did based on the known facts, not just with the handful
of cases with doug, but with loren lockman as well.

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