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From: Derek Holmes (
Subject:         Re: Doug, do you think blood testing at your events would reduce deaths/hospitalizations?
Date: May 16, 2014 at 9:34 am PST

In Reply to: Doug, do you think blood testing at your events would reduce deaths/hospitalizations? posted by Harley aka Durianrider on May 16, 2014 at 7:00 am:

Everybody already knows about Jane. Don't you think that the fact that her partner is ok with her testimonial being up mean something? Blood work would have meant nothing in this case because the condition (heart arrhythmia)was already known about and there is nothing you can do about that condition. Don't you think that the fact that she was an MD mean that she knew the risks and was willing to take them anyway. You act like she was coerced into fasting against her will or something. Sometimes people are on deaths doorstep and want to try a last resort. It's not Dr. Grahams fault and you know it.

Do you think that we should hold people/businesses/products accountable for deaths based on what they were doing beforehand? Sometimes people drop dead from a heart arrhythmia sitting on a couch. Let's blame the couch company. They could have been at a gym. Let's blame the gym. They could have been shopping at the grocery store. Let's blame the grocery store. Your argument is ridiculous. There are people dying left and right in hospitals and under medications that are pure poison and you are trying to make a case out of one death that wasn't even his fault. Start focusing on the things we need to change in this world.

You would have already known this if you had taken the time to read my comments on 30bad and hadn't instead changed my comments (before deleting my account so I couldn't change them back) in order to make it look like I was agreeing with you. And I also witnessed that happening to many other people as well as mass deletions just from that one thread.

I think you should man up and worry about yourself instead. Why don't you explain to people why you used to recommend not following the advice of someone who changed dietary recommendations but now you do the same and still expect people to listen to you. Explain why you spent years attacking this person and that person because they didn't agree with you and now that you have changed your advice you are now attacking the people that you used to support. Explain why all of this happened only right after you were demoted from pioneer status at the Woodstock Fruit Festival. Sounds like ego to me. Explain why even though you keep trying to blame Fully Raw Kristina for what happened to Rawvanna (which really was no big deal and has been confirmed by someone close to Kristina that it was her marketing agency that acted without her knowledge), they have reconciled and are now friends and want nothing to do with you and Freelee. That's telling. Of course I am sure you won't answer any of these because the only thing you are doing is trying to create conflict so that you can garnish more youtube hits, since that is your only income stream. Speaking of that, Why don't you explain to people how much money you make from youtube. I think people would be astounded to hear how much it is since all you do is bash people making money off of supplements and misinformation when you are making money off of false accusations and turmoil.

It's amazing that you are only where you are in life now because of 30bad, and you are trying to take credit for Dr. Grahams success when Dr. Graham was educating people for decades before you were around and gave you the necessary education to then build that site. You should be thanking him. He even came up with raw til 4 (although he didn't coin a name for it since it was only a recommendation for transition) before you did and used it as a recommendation for people who are transitioning to at least try and eat fruit first and leave cooked meals to the end of the day for easier digestion (listen to his older audio and video and you'll see). You are riding on his coat tails and at the same time trying to make more money off youtube hits by bashing him as well. Sad. You need to go on another walkabout my friend.

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