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From: Lennie M. (
Subject:         bickering doesn't help anyone
Date: December 17, 2013 at 12:04 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: nonsense posted by Derek on December 16, 2013 at 11:27 pm:

I used to think just like you do, it's actually interesting to me to be
able to reflect on that change, thank you for showing this to me.
Personally, I find that the opposing view offers me more insight
than the agreeable one, as it exposes the weakest links; something
Dr. Graham taught me to relentlessly seek out.

I never expected a response from Dr. Graham because I received his
response to my situation years ago, at which point I left to start a
new life. In a sense you are all very late to the party. A reply from
him now, even an apology as many have lobbied for would be
meaningless to me. It's been nearly 5 years and I'm healthy, happy,
and successful. His words don't carry any weight with me now. I
harbor no grudges because my life is particularly blessed and
beautiful. I'm grateful for everything he taught me that I still
employ daily.

For clarity, I spoke up this time because I want honesty. The 811rv
community has a history of sweeping failures and difficulties under
the rug as if they never happened, and there are so many they have
their own forum. I was guilty of this myself until I became one of
those same stories, and I saw it get denied here just days ago.
Projecting infallibility is dangerous and in my experience hurts real
people. To censor someone who has invested time, money, and life
energy into this idea but experiences ill effects as "off-topic" or
"negative" is baffling to me since everyone takes this lifestyle on as
a personal experiment. I don't see compassion, integrity, or
humility in turning a blind eye or in silencing the voices of those
who fail. The 811rv concept and this community are only as strong
as its weakest links and one day the chain will break.

That said, there is room for everyone to live however they choose,
and there is a community for each of them to find support. I spent
many hours seeking and giving support here and I know how
valuable it is to have a space conducive to that, when that is what
you seek. I do not wish to disrupt that discussion further, especially
with bickering; so please carry on with curiosity and respect. I
sincerely hope you all find the health and happiness you long for.
Life is simply too short for anything else.

Gary, Luke, et al, thank you. Your words speak volumes for your
intelligence and integrity.

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