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From: Mike (
Subject:         The eating of greens.
Date: April 1, 2013 at 11:55 am PST

Dear Dr. Graham! Here's a long post with many seperate
points and questions in it. I hope it is appropriate to post
here and that it does not take up too much of your valuable
time! If you can spare some minutes that would be awesome!

In regards to the eating of greens, I have a few minor
challenges both physically speaking and
intellectually/philosophically. I am eating a completely raw
diet, in accord with the principles of 80/10/10 and striving
always to live the optimal hygienic lifestyle in general. I
very much agree with the principles of natural hygiene and
80/10/10 but there is one thing that always seems strange to
me. That is the eating of greens and/or vegetables.

We humans are of course frugivores, we love fruit, but I
wouldn't say that I love greens in the same way. I feel like
if I were to follow my instincts 100 % I would eat fruit
rather over greens at any meal. Maybe I would nibble on some
shoots every now and then, but my taste preferance and
"hunger" would always go towards the sweet and juicy fruit!
I know the science shows us that we need to eat greens, but
my immidiate reaction to eating greens is always that it
taste boring and even unappealing! Sure, I can make a meal
out of lettuce alone, but it's not really pleasurable, and
if I have to put a mango dressing over the top to make it
taste better, this tells me something might not be right
about it! The same goes for greens smoothies!

Some points to keep it tidy:

1) Greens taste bland and are not immidiately appealing in
the same way as fruit is. Sugar taste's awesome to us and
that stimulates us to keep eating until full. I'm not
stimulated in the same way by greens.

2) I avoid things like bitter greens and those with a lot of
oxalic acid (kale, spinach, many herbs, dandelion, bitter
lettuce..) and heavy vegetables(broccoli, cauliflower..)
because they taste disgusting to me, therefore I consider
them poisonous to a certain degree.

3) It seems, scientifically, that we need to eat greens to
cover our mineral needs. Could it be that the soil in which
the fruit is grown these days is very poor and therefore we
cannot get our minerals from the fruit grown there? If the
soil was ideal, would we not be able to eat ONLY fruit? Is
the reason for eating greens in a way to "supplement" the
diet with plants more concentrated in minerals? To me this
would make the most sense, because I cannot seem to find
natural urge for greens!

4) I eat greens that are tender and watery/sweet, like
romaine lettuce and Iceberg lettuce, but I still find that:
A) the outer, darker leaves taste slightly bitter and off-
putting to me, and it actually leaves me with a slightly dry
and uncomfortable mouth afterwords (?), which makes me ask
"why am I eating this"?. and B) that even when I eat the
inner heart of the lettuce, the sweet, crispy and watery
part, I still find it fairly bland, I wouldn't say it tastes
"good" and I would prefer fruit. I'm not saying I wouldn't
eat it at all, but to eat the quantity reccomended (3-5% of
total calories) I find difficult comprehend from a natural
standpoint. I do it now, due to the scientific advice, and
thats motivation enough for me now, and I'm not really
disputing the idea, I'm just putting forward the
philosophical dilemma of: "If I was in nature, and had a
choice what would drive me to eat greens?"

5) I know the anthropoid apes eat lots of greens. (I would
love more info on the typical primate diet if you know any
good resources by the way). Two thoughts come up: A) We are
a different species, could it be that the other primates
actually love the taste of greens and that it tastes good to
them? B) Are they intelligent enough to realize that there's
not enough fruit (?) and that it is a survival mechanism to
get enough calories? Or could it even be that they recognize
the lack of minerals in the fruit grown in depleted soil
near humans and supplement with greens? are primates in the
deep jungle eating more fruits for example?

6) If I am hungry, I will sit down to eat mangoes for
example, I will eat until I'm full. But, if I am to fit
greens into my diet, I will have to stop eating mangoes
halfway, to keep space for the bland (in comparison
espacially of course) greens. I do this out of an
intellectual understanding only, not out of instinct, my
instinct is to keep eating mangoes! I guess the main
question is really this: Natural hygiene (and my natural
instincts/intuition/knowledge) teaches that we should eat
what is immediately appealing, and eat the food for the food
itself and NOT for the nutrients only. What then about
greens? I wouldn't choose to eat greens unless I was
intellectually convinced! Also, they dont supply enough
calories at the meal, so eaten alone I would still be hungry
for sugar!

A lot of questions I know, but its been on my mind a long
time, and if you are able to answer, even to only some of
them, I would greatly appreciate it, I am sure there are
more people thinking the same thing!

Thank you for being a clear and congruent health teacher out
there in the raw food world. It's much needed in this time!

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