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From: Milo (
Subject:         Re: Thanks Jeff... A call for the truth
Date: January 15, 2010 at 12:05 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Jeff... but please... posted by Jeff Novick, MS, RD, LD, LN on January 14, 2010 at 1:41 pm:

Thank you Jeff and Preston,

I consider myself well-read and experienced after trying different approaches, making tests, journaling, going beyond myself but taking objective measurements with family, reading the works of many like-minded doctors and scientific journals to check the research. This I had done through the last five years, nevertheless this is not the only thing I do in life, I have other priorities and other important things to do, and many minds have more and probably better ideas than a few minds.

One intellectual reason to ask Jeff is for a need of mine to know more about the scientific details between these two available options, compare their rate of success, their advantages and disadvantages, their reasons, their fears so that we can explore them and give understanding to why these things happen if people base their diets on fruit or on starches. I'm beyond the point of religious fanatism or dogma, I've heard both parties and I congratulate McDougall, Graham, Fuhrman, Novick, Esselstyn and all of them who believe plant based diets, agreeing on the low fat part, are a great way to go healthwise. I thank that there are different healthy options for different people and I appreciate when I see a scientific or evidence-based approach beyond anecdotes. If I could make a recommendation I would like to know the science-based doctors' proposals for research to compare biochemically, physiologically the reasons what does fruit offer and what does starches offer, without dogma and without emotional attachments or fears. May this come soon for the sake of human health and nutrition fields evolution. If one day, any of you do have time, to organize your thoughts and present an essay about these topics I would be delighted to know what you guys think and based on what. Up to what I know Graham and the supportive professionals behind that health movement come from a low-fat vegan kind of diet in their distant past and maybe for some reason it didn't work for them. Jeff, if I understand you well, you were part of something like 80/10/10 or raw movement in the 80's?, if you got into health issues with that kind of lifestyle, it would be honest and helpful to know, based on your case, what were the symptoms and reasons for that and how you could overcome those.

I've read the forums you pointed me towards Jeff, thank you, they were indeed intelligent and exciting discussions. I would love to know what the experts are telling at the McDougall week in Feb, but I can't afford the costs, I live far away from CA. Hopefully I will have a chance to read about it in due time.

Lately I've been thinking big and wonder, what should humanity world-wide be doing on their fields? Planting annual starches and grain and legume crops for their calories or planting a wide diversity of perennial fruit trees as their main healthy, efficient and environmentally sustainable energy and food source? What would be the consequences of one approach or the other? I value biodiversity and wonder how biodiverse our diet should really be if since the 20th century we have problems with our nutritional affluence and excess?

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