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From: TSS (216-119-163-138.ipset45.wt.net)
Subject: CWD--comments from a hunter (RAP RENDERED ANIMAL PROTEIN) Mt. Horeb/Dane Co. CWD source QDM
Date: November 12, 2002 at 2:35 pm PST
Greetings, i took this off a Hunters message board...TSS
There seems to be an ever growing correlation between using commercial feed containing "animal products" and CWD. Whether the feeding takes place in a game farm, high fenced hunting area, or on someone's private property, there is strong evidence linking the use of such feed products and CWD. Before using a commercial feed (yes, it is still being sold and used) read the "ingredients" label.
Below is an email from a good friend in WI. He had mentioned to me the connection between some QDM practices and CWD. I asked him to explain. I have to agree (dispite the fact class envy
comes into play here) that in the case of the Mt.
Horeb/Dane Co. CWD source QDM, actually supplemental
feeding used w/ QDM caused the problem. The Madison
Times followed the first reports of sick deer from 97'
back to one group in Dane Co. who were feeding deer
RAP (rendered animal protein) mixed in with deer feed
to promote antler growth. Think back to Mad Cow
disease in Europe, feeding RAP to ruminats was found
to be the cause. BTW, there is now a Federal warning
on bags of RAP (yes, they still sell this sh*t) saying
DO NOT FEED to ruminants. Too late now... If you have
ever seen the assortment of dead and disease killed
rotting animals collected for rendering NO one in
their right mind would want to feed a by-product of
this sh*t to anything! But they did... results CWD
here, Mad Cow in Europe. You will find me agreeing
with the Madison Times about as much as the Chief
Rabbi of Israel agrees with Saddam Hussien, but this
time I think they hit it right on the head. People
got greedy, wanted to grow "Superbucks" right in their
own back 40, and decided to give nature a "helping
hand". Like my Grandpa used to say: "you get greedy,
you get stupid, you get f*cked" (it probably rhymed in
Russia where he heard it) I sure hope my deer is Ok,
as we have had 2 meals already. It was boned out per
WI DNR spec.s
Take Care,
============== i must give this Hunter credit. i hope others take his lead
and can see the trees through the forest. many don't, course
when they put into place the beef-on-bone ban in the UK due
to the risk of CJD from beef, they fought for a place in line
to purchase that beef? go figure... man did it, now man has to stop it...TSS Subject: MAD DEER/ELK DISEASE AND POTENTIAL SOURCES
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:43:10 -0700
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." Subject: MAD DEER/ELK DISEASE AND POTENTIAL SOURCES
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 18:41:46 -0700
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
To: BSE-L@uni-karlsruhe.de######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
#########MAD DEER/ELK DISEASE AND POTENTIAL SOURCES 8420-20.5% Antler Developer
For Deer and Game in the wild
Guaranteed Analysis Ingredients / Products Feeding Directions
Crude Protein (min) 20.50%
Crude Fat (min) 2.50%
Crude Fiber (max) 15.00%
Calcium (min) 1.50%
Calcium (max) 1.90%
Phosphorus (min) 1.25%
Potassium (min) 1.00%
Magnesium (min) 0.45%
Zinc (min) 450ppm
Manganese (min) 250ppm
Copper (min) 40ppm
Copper (max) 60ppm
Selenium (min) 0.30ppm
Vitamin A (min) 25,000IU/LB
Vitamin E (min) 20IU/LB Plant Protein, Soybean
Hulls (16%), Grain, Processed Grain By-Products, Dehydrated Alfalfa
Meal, Molasses, Defluorinated Phosphate, Monocalcium Phosphate,
Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Bicarbonate,
__Animal Protein__, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement,
Vitamin E Supplement, Magnesium Oxide, Soybean Oil, DL-Mdethionine, Zinc
Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate,
Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Cobalt Carbonate, Sodium Selenite and
Artificial Flavoring Feed to wildlife as a supplement to pasture and
browse, or hay. Feed at a rate to maintain desired growth rate and body
condition, antler development and fawn survival. For optimal results
feed during times of nutrient stress, such as drought or when nutrient
requirements are elevated such as lactation antler growth, or rapid fawn
growth. Provide animals access to fresh clean water at all times. CAUTION: This product contains high levels of copper. Do not feed to
sheep. http://www.surefed.com/deer.htm
================================ animal sterol????????????????TSS Ingredients Grain Products, Plant Protein Products, Forage Products, Roughage
Products 30%, Calcium Carbonate, Processed Grain By-Products,
Deflourinated Phosphate, Salt, Molasses Products, Vitamin A Acetate with
D-activated Animal Sterol (source of Vitamin D3, di-alpha-Tocopheryl
Acetate, Artificial flavors added. http://www.bodefeed.com/prod3.htm
================================= [MORE ANIMAL PROTEIN PRODUCTS.....tss] BODE'S GAME FEED SUPPLEMENT #400
A RATION FOR DEER
NET WEIGHT 50 POUNDS
22.6 KG. GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein (Min) 15.5%
Crude Fat (Min) 2.0%
Crude Fiber (Max) 8.0%
Calcium (Min) 0.30%
Calcium (Max) 0.70%
Phosphorus (Min) 0.30%
Salt (Min) 0.05%
Salt (Max) 0.25%
Ingredients
Grain Products, Plant Protein Products, Processed Grain By-Products,
Forage Products, Roughage Products 15%, Molasses Products, __Animal
Protein Products__, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Pyosphate, Salt,
Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin A Acetate with D-activated Animal Sterol (
source of Vitamin D3), Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement,
Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Panothenate, Choline
Chloride, Folic Acid, Menadione Soduim Bisulfite Complex, Pyridoxine
Hydorchloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, d-Biotin, Manganous Oxide, Zinc
Oxide, Ferrous Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Carbonate, Dried
Sacchoromyces Berevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Cellulose gum,
Artificial Flavors added. Ration
CORN 666.67 LBS
PEAS 666.67 LBS
F# 3153 666.67 LBS FEEDING DIRECTIONS
Feed Free Choice http://www.bodefeed.com/prod7.htm
=================================== [MORE ANIMAL PROTEIN...TSS] Ingredients Grain Products, Plant Protein Products, Processed Grain By-Products,
Forage Products, Roughage Products 15%, Molasses Products, __Animal
Protein Products__, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Pyosphate, Salt,
Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin A Acetate with D-activated Animal Sterol (
source of Vitamin D3), Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement,
Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Panothenate, Choline
Chloride, Folic Acid, Menadione Soduim Bisulfite Complex, Pyridoxine
Hydorchloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, d-Biotin, Manganous Oxide, Zinc
Oxide, Ferrous Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Carbonate, Dried
Sacchoromyces Berevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Cellulose gum,
Artificial Flavors added. http://www.bodefeed.com/prod6.htm
=================================== MORE ANIMAL PROTEIN PRODUCTS FOR DEER Bode's #1 Game Pellets
A RATION FOR DEER
F3153 GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein (Min) 16%
Crude Fat (Min) 2.0%
Crude Fiber (Max) 19%
Calcium (Ca) (Min) 1.25%
Calcium (Ca) (Max) 1.75%
Phosphorus (P) (Min) 1.0%
Salt (Min) .30%
Salt (Max) .70%
Ingredients
Grain Products, Plant Protein Products, Processed Grain By-Products,
Forage Products, Roughage Products, 15% Molasses Products, __Animal
Protein Products__, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt,
Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin A Acetate with D-activated Animal Sterol (
source of Vitamin D3) Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement,
Roboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Choline
Chloride, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, e - Biotin, Manganous Oxide, Zinc
Oxide, Ferrous Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Carbonate, Dried
Saccharyomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Cellulose gum,
Artificial Flavors added. FEEDING DIRECTIONS
Feed as Creep Feed with Normal Diet http://www.bodefeed.com/prod8.htm
[PROBABLY MORE HERE, JUST FOLLOW THE ''NEXT BUTTON PRODUCTS''...TSS]
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[MORE ANIMAL PROTEIN DEER FEED...TSS] Selling Tips * Designed to improve the nutritional health of your herd
* Provides consistent protein source
* High levels of Vitamin E and Selenium
* Yeast culture
* Available in pellet form
Profile^(TM) Deer Builder Pellets
Product Features: Product Benefits:
* High quality protein * Balanced for demanding nutritional stages of post and pre rut deer * Extremely palatable * Keeps deer coming to the feeding area * Quality ingredients * Assures that the deer is receiving a consistent source of quality
nutrients * Yeast culture * For increased feed efficiency and increased fiber digestion * Fortified with the proper balance of vitamins and minerals * Especially Vitamin E and Selenium for reproduction efficiency,
prevent white muscle disease and boost the immune system under stress General Description:
For deer with higher nutrient needs. PROFILE
Deer Builder Pellets GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein, Not less
than......................................................................................................20.0 %
Crude Fat, Not less
than................................................................................................................2.0 %
Crude Fiber, Not more
than........................................................................................................18.0 %
Calcium (Ca), Not less
than.........................................................................................................1.0 %
Calcium (Ca), Not more
than........................................................................................................1.5 %
Phosphorus (P), Not less
than..................................................................................................0.95 %
Salt (NaCl), Not less
than..............................................................................................................0.1 %
Salt (NaCl), Not more
than............................................................................................................0.6 %
Potassium (K), Not less
than.......................................................................................................1.0 %
Selenium (Se), ppm, Not less
than..................................................................................................0.6
Copper (Cu), ppm, Not less
than......................................................................................................20
Zinc (Zn), ppm, Not less
than...........................................................................................................250
Vitamin A, I.U./lb, Not less
than..................................................................................................10,000
Vitamin D3, I.U./lb, Not less
than.....................................................................................................600
Vitamin E, I.U./lb, Not less
than..........................................................................................................70
INGREDIENTS
Grain Products, Roughage Products (not more than 35%), Processed Grain
By-Products, Plant Protein Products, Forage Products, __Animal Protein
Products__, L-Lysine, Calcium Carbonate, Salt, Monocalcium/Dicalcium
Phosphate, Yeast Culture, Magnesium Oxide, Cobalt Carbonate, Basic
Copper Chloride, Manganese Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite,
Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Iodide,
Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A
Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Mineral Oil, Mold Inhibitor, Calcium
Lignin Sulfonate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite
Complex, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Niacin, Biotin, Folic Acid,
Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Mineral Oil, Chromium Tripicolinate DIRECTIONS FOR USE Deer Builder Pellets is designed to be fed to deer under range
conditions or deer that require higher levels of protein. Feed to deer
during gestation, fawning, lactation, antler growth and pre-rut, all
phases which require a higher level of nutrition. Provide adequate
amounts of good quality roughage and fresh water at all times. http://www.profilenutrition.com/Products/Specialty/deer_builder_pellets.html [OR HOW ABOUT SOME ANIMAL FAT FOR YOUR ELK...TSS] Selling Tips * Elk Lactation Cow Gest is for elk cows from 45 days prior to
calving through weaning
* Provides needed protein, energy, vitamins and minerals created by
calving and milk production.
Profile^(TM) Elk Lactation Cow Gest
Product Features: Product Benefits:
* High quality plant protein * Supply protein requirements during this high demand period * Complex carbohydrates and fats * Provide needed energy to help maintain body condition * Highly digestible fiber * Lowers risk of acidosis, while providing a high level of energy * Highly fortified; complete vitamins and trace minerals with
Zinpro organic trace minerals * Meets trace nutrient requirements during this period of
high-nutrient demand even in the presence of interfering trace elements * Diamond V's XP Yeast * Increases palatability and forage digestibility * Pelleted * Convenient and easy for the producer to handle * Mold Inhibitor * Feed stays fresh longer * Apple Flavored General Description:
For elk cows from 45 days prior to calving through weaning. PROFILE
Elk Lactation Cow Gest GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein, Not less
than.......................................................................................................16.0%
Crude Fat, Not less
than.................................................................................................................3.0%
Crude Fiber, Not more
than.........................................................................................................20.0%
Calcium (Ca), Not less
than..........................................................................................................1.0%
Phosphorus (P), Not less
than......................................................................................................0.4%
Salt (NaCl), Not less
than...............................................................................................................0.1%
Salt (NaCl), Not more
than.............................................................................................................0.6%
Potassium (K), Not less
than........................................................................................................1.1%
Magnesium (Mg), Not less
than....................................................................................................0.3%
Zinc (Zn), ppm, Not less
than...........................................................................................................190
Copper (Cu), ppm, Not less
than......................................................................................................50
Selenium (Se), ppm, Not less
than..................................................................................................0.5
Vitamin A, I.U./lb, Not less
than..................................................................................................15,000
Vitamin D3, I.U./lb, Not less
than.................................................................................................4,000
Vitamin E, I.U./lb, Not less
than..........................................................................................................75
INGREDIENTS
Grain Products, Roughage Products (Not more than 50%), Processed Grain
By-Products, Forage Products, Plant Protein Products, Molasses Products,
Animal Fat (Preserved with BHA and Citric Acid), Monocalcium/Dicalcium
Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Selenite,
Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate, Basic Copper
Chloride, Manganese Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Oxide,
Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Zinc
Methionine Complex, Copper Amino Acid, Complex, Cobalt Glucoheptonate,
Mineral Oil, Propionic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3
Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Sodium Propionate, Natural &
Artificial flavors DIRECTIONS FOR USE Feed at 1 to 1.5 lb per 100 lb body weight (ideally 3 to 8 lb) per head
daily to lactating elk cows. Always provide adequate forage and fresh,
clean water. If body condition is not being maintained at these
recommended feeding rates, evaluate forage quality and health status
before increasing the amount of Elk Lactation Gest fed beyond 8 lb per
head per day. The maximum feeding rate for this product is 13 lb per
head daily. Always follow good feeding and health management procedures. Previous Product Next Product http://www.profilenutrition.com/Products/Specialty/elk_lactationcowgest.html
=================================================== considering 1/2 to 1 gram of TSE material is lethal; DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES
PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE
FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION April 9, 2001 WARNING LETTER 01-PHI-12
CERTIFIED MAIL
RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED Brian J. Raymond, Owner
Sandy Lake Mills
26 Mill Street
P.O. Box 117
Sandy Lake, PA 16145
PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT Tel: 215-597-4390 Dear Mr. Raymond: Food and Drug Administration Investigator Gregory E. Beichner conducted
an inspection of your animal feed manufacturing operation, located in
Sandy Lake, Pennsylvania, on March 23,
2001, and determined that your firm manufactures animal feeds including
feeds containing prohibited materials. The inspection found significant
deviations from the requirements set forth in
Title 21, code of Federal Regulations, part 589.2000 - Animal Proteins
Prohibited in Ruminant Feed. The regulation is intended to prevent the
establishment and amplification of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
(BSE) . Such deviations cause products being manufactured at this
facility to be misbranded within the meaning of Section 403(f), of the
Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
Act (the Act). Our investigation found failure to label your
swine feed with the required cautionary statement "Do Not Feed to cattle
or other Ruminants" The FDA suggests that the statement be
distinguished
by different type-size or color or other means of highlighting the
statement so that it is easily noticed by a purchaser. In addition, we note that you are using approximately 140 pounds of
cracked corn to flush your mixer used in the manufacture of animal
feeds containing prohibited material. This
flushed material is fed to wild game including deer, a ruminant animal.
Feed material which may potentially contain prohibited material should
not be fed to ruminant animals which may become part of the food chain. The above is not intended to be an all-inclusive list of deviations from
the regulations. As a manufacturer of materials intended for animal
feed use, you are responsible for assuring that your overall operation
and the products you manufacture and distribute are in compliance with
the law. We have enclosed a copy of FDA's Small Entity Compliance Guide
to assist you with complying with the regulation... blah, blah, blah... http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g1115d.pdf
===================================================
now, what about those 'deer scents' of 100% urine',
and the prion that is found in urine, why not just
pass the prion with the urine to other deer... Mrs. Doe Pee Doe in Estrus
Model FDE1 Mrs. Doe Pee's Doe in Estrus is made from Estrus urine
collected at the peak of the rut, blended with Fresh Doe Urine for an
extremely effective buck enticer. Use pre-rut before the does come into
heat. Use during full rut when bucks are most active. Use during
post-rut when bucks are still actively looking for does. 1 oz. http://www.gamecalls.net/huntingproducts/deerlures.html ELK SCENT/SPRAY BOTTLE * Works anytime of the year
* 100 % Cow Elk-in-Heat urine (2oz.)
* Economical - mix with water in spray mist bottle
* Use wind to your advantage Product Code WP-ESB $9.95 http://www.elkinc.com/Scent.asp prions in urine? [PDF] A URINE TEST FOR THE IN-VIVO DIAGNOSIS OF PRION DISEASES http://www.sigov.si/vurs/PDF/diagnoastika-bse-urin.pdf Subject: Cervid (Deer) Meat from BSE Countries Effective immediately, deer meat from all countries the USDA considers
to be affected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) may be
allowed entry into the US if each shipment is accompanied by a
certificate endorsed by an official of the National Veterinary Service
of the country of origin certifying that the meat was derived from
either wild cervidae or from farm raised cervidae that have never been
fed ruminant origin meat and bone meal. Previously, the only
BSE-affected country which was allowed to export deer to the US was
Scotland. Ronald B. Caffey
Assistant to the Deputy Administrator
Plant Protection and Quarantine http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/manuals/PPQ_BB/Update%20APM%20120299.htm TO: ALL PPQ PORT OFFICES
(If a location in your jurisdiction cannot access the PPQ Bulletin
Board, please forward a copy of this notice to that location.) Subject: Importation of Cervid (deer) Antlers from BSE Countries Effective immediately, processed and unprocessed deer antlers from all
countries that USDA considers to be affected with bovine spongiform
encephalopathy (BSE) may be allowed entry into the US if each shipment
is accompanied by a certificate endorsed by an official of the National
Veterinary Service of the country of origin certifying that the antlers
were derived from either wild cervidae or farm raised cervidae that have
never been fed ruminant origin meat and bone meal. Elizabeth A. Klontz
Veterinary Medical Officer
Plant Protection and Quarantine http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/manuals/PPQ_BB/Update%20APM%20060500.htm Greetings List Members, wonder what species these animal proteins and fats
are? some more of that non-species coding i imagine?
that non-species coding system comes in real handy i
would imagine on both exports, imports and even
home grown... kind regards,
Terry S. Singeltary Sr., Bacliff, Texas USA ########### http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
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