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From: TSS ()
Date: May 19, 2005 at 2:49 pm PST

In Reply to: USDA ANNOUNCES BSE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION posted by TSS on May 18, 2005 at 1:40 pm:

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:48:24 -0500
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
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oh boy, another bse roundtable event.
Don't ya just love these BSE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSIONS?
they been discussing BSE around round tables for years here in
the USA and abroad, but nobody in the USA took heed to
any of the science...


Gerald Wells: Report of the Visit to USA, April-May 1989


The general opinion of those present was that BSE, as an
overt disease phenomenon, _could exist in the USA, but if it did,
it was very rare. The need for improved and specific surveillance
methods to detect it as recognized...


It is clear that USDA have little information and _no_ regulatory
responsibility for rendering plants in the US...


3. Prof. A. Robertson gave a brief account of BSE. The US approach
was to accord it a _very low profile indeed_. Dr. A Thiermann showed
the picture in the ''Independent'' with cattle being incinerated and thought
this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all costs_...


5-9 September 1988
First International Conference on Alzheimer's Disease and Related
Disorders, Las Vegas, at which Dr. Hope gives the Seminar 'BSE:
A Scrapie-like Disease of British Cattle'.

27-28 June 1989 National Institutes of Health (Maryland) international
roundtable on BSE.

May 1992 OIE General Assembly in Paris agrees trading conditions
for bovine products from countries affected by BSE.

and in a paper which he gave to the SERONO SYMPOSIA,
USA IN 1996 entitled ''Speculations on the origins of BSE of the
Epidemiology of CJD'' he asserted that

''...It is generally assumed that the origin of BSE was the feed-borne
transmission of scrapie to cattle. The epidemiology of BSE is entirely
consistent with this hypothesis.'' (M8A Tab 41)


1: J Am Vet Med Assoc. 1992 Jan 15;200(2):164-7.

Recommendations of the International Roundtable Workshop on Bovine
Spongiform Encephalopathy.

Gibbs CJ Jr, Bolis CL, Asher DM, Bradley R, Fite RW, Johnson RT, Mahy
BW, McKhann GM.

National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892.

Recommendations of the working party were summarized as follows:
Determine the status in all countries of their national cattle herds
with respect to BSE. Attempt to develop a test to recognize BSE-infected
animals before they become clinically ill. Establish procedures to
prevent spread of BSE agent into the cattle populations, especially by
eliminating feeds containing rendered ruminant proteins. Review the
rendering processes, identify the sources and destinations of rendered
products, and suggest appropriate changes if needed. Especially needed
are standardized rendering procedures in regard to use of organic
solvents, temperature, and duration of heat treatment. Review import and
export regulations to reduce the risk of spreading BSE and to maximize
opportunities for safe trading in cattle and cattle products. The
scrapie-free certification program of the USDA was supported, and
similar programs might be considered by other countries. If BSE/scrapie
is diagnosed in a given country, determine baseline incidence of CJD in
those countries and consider contributing to an international registry.
The WHO should address the problems of BSE, formulate policy,
participate in and coordinate research, and provide training
opportunities for veterinary and human health care workers from eastern
European countries and developing nations. Government and private
agencies should consider increasing support for research on
transmissibility and pathogenesis of CJD, BSE, CWD, scrapie, and
transmissible mink encephalopathy. Prepare and publish a critical
neuropathologic review of all spongiform encephalopathies, naturally and
experimentally transmitted, defining the characteristics of each disease
in the various species known to be susceptible. Consider producing
guidelines for the biological and pharmaceutical industries with regard
to sourcing, collecting, and processing bovine and ovine

Publication Types:

* Congresses

PMID: 1348501 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

53. The epidemiological “think tank” meeting was held on 7th February,
1991 at the CVL, and Mr
Lowson's minutes of the meeting are exhibited at YB91/2.7/5.1 attached
to his letter at
YB91/2.18/2.1.See also YB91/2.7/2.1). The participants of the meeting
were: Dr Tyrrell,
Professor Richard Barlow, Dr Richard Kimberlin, Mr David Pepper and Dr
Bill Watson, as
SEAC members; Mr Bradley and Dr Pickles (of the Department of Health) as
observers; Mr
Lowson, and Mr Tom Murray (of the Department of Health) as the
Secretariat of SEAC; and
myself, Dr Hueston (USDA), Professor Peter Smith and Dr Paul Fine (of
London School of
Hygiene and Tropical Medicine), Dr Paul Brown (of NINDS, USA).

see 'think tank' ...tss

Others in attendance are
listed at Annex B of YB91/2.7/5.1 at p 5.11. The meeting endorsed the
work that was being
done by the Epidemiology Department, and did not have any major
suggestions to make about
new approaches to be pursued. The meeting also recognised the inherent
limitations of
epidemiological modelling due to biological variables such as how many
animals were subclinically

i could list other round table events on BSe, that the USA was very
much aware of, simply failed to act on, but i think most get my just here.
they simply did not want to implement any policies that would hinder
the industry, so they floundered and floundered and now, they whine,
while literally millions and millions of innocent humans have become
exposed to mad cow, deer, elk, sheep, etc disease. (TSE for short).

BUT of course old GW has rode up on his white horse and
saved the day with his BSE MRR policy and the damn OIE
is set to approve it in there own way. i dont know who is bribing
who any more, but i was thinking of a better term to use than
bribing. i guess this stupid BSE MRR policy is better than just
sending the suspect BSE cases like the stumbling and staggering
one they rendered head and all WITH NO TEST to be rendered
and or the positive, positives they claim was inconclusive, until they
tested the damn thing enough times to come up with a false negative,
and all this done WITHOUT WB and still refuse to use it and or retest
all those suspect properly. but you will not see any mad cows in the USA
of any strain until the OIE buys into GWs BSE MRR policy. then
i predict we might see a few documented cases. but things have
been on hold and i dont care if they claim to test 350 thousand,
1 million, or all of them, if you are cherry picken and not testing
them correctly and using the most sensitive test to date, you ain't
doing nothing, but fooling yourself. i dont think the exporting
consumers are willing to risk this political public health nightmare.
IF the OIE caves in to GWs demands on BSE regulations, then
like i said before, they should hang up there jock straps, cause
they will not need them anymore. the USA is in such a unique
situation with animal TSEs and the potential for a more virolent
strain, that any laxing of the BSE OIE regs, as weak as they are,
would set us back to the stone age of attempting to erradicate
human and animal TSEs. i am still waiting for the OIE to address
CWD as i was told they would do several years ago. but of
course i am still waiting for those VERMONT ATYPICAL
TSE sheep from Belgium, that we were promised mouse
bio-assays were to have begun. well, 2005 and they just
started after i addressed this issue via aphis and maff. could
BSE be in the USA in sheep? i guess we will have to wait
2 more years...

still disgusted in Bacliff, Texas where the speckle trout are
BIG outback and plentiful now, water is trout green and fine.
may go missing in action...


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