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From: TSS ()
Subject: Re: BSE 'MAY HAVE ENTERED BABY FOOD IN 70s' (i tried telling them in Nov. 1999)
Date: March 4, 2005 at 4:05 pm PST

In Reply to: BSE 'MAY HAVE ENTERED BABY FOOD IN 70s' (i tried telling them in Nov. 1999) posted by TSS on March 4, 2005 at 6:18 am:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: BSE 'may have entered baby food in 70s'
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:09:14 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
To: BSE-L@LISTSERV.KALIV.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE
References: <42286E30.7090605@wt.net>


##################### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #####################

THE BABY FOOD (PROHIBITED OFFAL) REGULATIONS 1989

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/00002001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/00001001.pdf

BABY FOODS

There are 4 brands available for a quick survey - Boots, Cow & Gate,
Heinz and Robinson.

None of the meat dishes included 'offal' in the ingredients.

Steak & Kidney and Beef and Oxtail did, however, include kidney and
oxtail.....

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/01/17006001.pdf

About the only item it seems many remain to be decided next week
is what if anything we say about offal in baby food. I enclose
now in confidence the draft as it stands at present concerning
this aspect. It might be that no action is recommened. On the
other hand, the working party, PERSUADED BY THE ANIMAL
EVIDENCE THAT IMMATURE ANIMALS ARE MORE
SUSCEPTIBLE TO INFECTION WITH THE AGENTS OF
SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY, may make some
recommendations either about labelling or about banning offal in baby
food.......

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/01/25001001.pdf


BSE SOUTHWOOD REPORT

CONFIDENTIAL

snip...

BABY FOODS

7. The working Party consider that manufacturers of baby foods
should, as a precautionary measure, avoid the use of ruminant offals
and thymus. Sir Richard Southwood has told the Minister of Agriculture,
Fisheries and Food that the likelihood of problems arising through the use
of these products in baby food is very low indeed and that this suggestion
is counsel of ''extreme prudence''. In practice thymus is not used in the
preperation of baby foods, kidneys and liver are because of their
nutritional
value. Officials will contact manufacturers urgently to seek their reaction
to the suggestion...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/17005001.pdf

This would enable us to assess more fully what the actual risks are and
what the risks are of any ban on liver and kidney in baby foods.

We do not wish to create problems for young children and ethnic
minorities simply on the basis of poorly substantiated speculation.
On the other hand, if there is clear evidence this must be taken into
account. My understanding is that the evidence is not clear-cut
and does need further consideration...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/15002001.pdf

BSE AND BABY FOOD

snip...

1. We spoke about MacGregor's concern about baby food and how,
if asked about beef liver and kidney, he was proposing replying:

"I understand that the committee (Southwood's) did not have the
opportunity to examine thoroughly all the scientific evidence relating
to offal particularly liver and kidney in human and baby food. I therefore
propose to refer the matter to the CMO to seek his advice before taking
any further action."

2. Whilst we agreed this clearly was passing the buck, I guess
it's the best MacGregor can do.....

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/20006001.pdf

POWERS TO REGULATE BABY FOODS

DEFINITION OF BABY FOOD

1. There is no definition of baby food (nor of baby) for food legislation
purposes...

snip...


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/23014001.pdf


Heinz Baby Foods

WE guarantee that __________________ are free from offal OTHER
THAN that which is named in any product description and in particular
contain no thymus, brains, spinal chord, spleen, and intestine.

THE ONLY OFFALS USED IN __________________ ARE
KIDNEY, LIVER, AND OXTAIL when they are always identified
on the lable, both in the product description and in the list of
ingredients.

PICTURE OF BABY FOOD JAR NAMED STEAK AND KIDNEY
LUNCH

INGREDIENTS - WATER, BEEF, CARROTS, POTATOES,
KIDNEY, MODIFIED CORN FLOUR, SPLIT GREEN PEAS,
FLOUR, TOMATO PUREE, LIVER, .....

snip...

ANOTHER PICTURE OF BABY FOOD JAR NAMED BEEF AND
OXTAIL DINNER

ingredients listed also, but difficult to read, name self explanitory,
contains
beef and OXTAIL...TSS

ANOTHER BABY FOOD JAR NAMED LIVER AND BACON
DINNER, ingredients listed

ANOTHER BABY FOOD JAR NAMED STEAK AND KIDNEY DINNER, ingredients listed

ANOTHER BABY FOOD JAR NAMED BRAISED STEAK AND
KIDNEY, ingredients listed

ANOTHER BABY FOOD JAR NAMED LAMB AND LIVER
CASSEROLE, NO INGREDIENTS LISTED (WHAT ABOUT LAMB
AND BSE ??? TSS)

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/23015001.pdf

for someone to claim no risk from these products to young children
with todays science and with the documented pictures of the baby
food jars with ingredients, is like johann saying there is NO RISK
from canadian beef. just aint so folks...CASE IN POINT;

107
Vet Pathol 42:107108 (2005)
Letters to the Editor
Editor:
Absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence.
In the article Failure to detect prion protein (PrPres) by
immunohistochemistry in striated muscle tissues of animals
experimentally inoculated with agents of transmissible spongiform
encephalopathy, recently published in Veterinary
Pathology (41:7881, 2004), PrPres was not detected in striated
muscle of experimentally infected elk, cattle, sheep, and
raccoons by immunohistochemistry (IHC). Negative IHC,
however, does not exclude the presence of PrPSc. For example,
PrPres was detected in skeletal muscle in 8 of 32
humans with the prion disease, sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob
disease (CJD), using sodium phosphotungstic acid (NaPTA)
precipitation and western blot.1 The NaPTA precipitation,
described by Wadsworth et al.,3 concentrates the abnormal
isoform of the prion, PrPres, from a large tissue homogenate
volume before western blotting. This technique has increased
the sensitivity of the western blot up to three orders
of magnitude and could be included in assays to detect
PrPres. Extremely conspicuous deposits of PrPres in muscle
were detected by IHC in a recent case report of an individual
with inclusion body myositis and CJD.2 Here, PrPres was
detected in the muscle by immunoblotting, IHC, and paraf-
fin-embedded tissue blot. We would therefore caution that,
in addition to IHC, highly sensitive biochemical assays and
bioassays of muscle are needed to assess the presence or
absence of prions from muscle in experimental and natural
TSE cases.
Christina Sigurdson, Markus Glatzel, and Adriano Aguzzi
Institute of Neuropathology
University Hospital of Zurich
Zurich, Switzerland
References
1 Glatzel M, Abela E, et al: Extraneural pathologic prion
protein in sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. N Engl J
Med 349(19):18121820, 2003
2 Kovacs GG, Lindeck-Pozza E, et al: Creutzfeldt-Jakob
disease and inclusion body myositis: abundant diseaseassociated
prion protein in muscle. Ann Neurol 55(1):
121125, 2004
3 Wadsworth JDF, Joiner S, et al: Tissue distribution of protease
resistant prion protein in variant CJD using a highly
sensitive immuno-blotting assay. Lancet 358:171180,
2001tss

COW AND GATE BABY FOODS

snip...

Further to our telephone conversation today, I would like to confirm
to you that ____________________ babyfoods do not contain brain,
bowels, feet, testicles or lever (oh my...TSS). WE DO have a babymeal
variety which contains kidney, but I can confirm that
this is correctly labelled in line with current UK legislation...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/23016001.pdf

ANNEX 2

Dear Dr. Woolfe,

This is to confirm that the only offal used in ____________________
beef kidney, which is used in Steak and Kidney Junior Meal. The kidney
is purchased to a tight specification and is checked for quality.

We do not use any other offal material, such as liver, brain, intestines,
spinal cord etc...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/24015001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/24016001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/27015001.pdf

BABY FOODS WARNING

snip...

Although we are aware from Dr. Woolfe's enquiries that none of these
particular offals are CURRENTLY used in baby food... nonetheless
the Ministers wishes to go ahead urgently........

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/28006001.pdf

NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ABOUT BABY FOOD WARNING

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/02/28007001.pdf

HERE IS A MOST DISTURBING DOCUMENT.

2. In his fourth paragraph, Mr. Cockbill says that in notifying the EC
Commission we can claim the need for urgent action on the basis of a
''KNOWN HEALTH RISK''. I am concerned that this might be
misinterpreted by the Commission and others. The Southwood Report
concluded that, from present evidence, cattle are likely to prove a
dead-end host for the BSE agent and that BSE is most unlikely to have
any implications for human health. Our action in banning offal in baby
foods
is therefore a precautionary measure and not one to deal with a known
risk.

3. In view of the sensitivity of this issue could I ask that you keep
us in close touch with developments at your end and let us HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE DRAFTS OF THE NOTIFICATION,
SUBMISSION ETC?

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/03003001.pdf


MANIPULATING AND MANAGING STATEMENTS TO THE MEDIA

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/03009001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/09001001.pdf


5. IT might be PRUDENT to advise that where bovine or ovine
bones are required for food purposes PARTICULARLY FOR
BABY FOODS THEY SHOULD BE OBTAINED FROM LIMB
BONES ALONE...

R BRADLEY
MARCH 4, 1989

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/04001001.pdf

STILL CONCERNS OF TAIL MEAT IN BABY FOOD

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/07005001.pdf


THE BABY FOOD (PROHIBITED OFFAL) REGULATIONS

SNIP...

WE need however to consider those offals that are included in Part
Heart, liver and kidney have all been discussed and agreed as suitable
for use in baby foods. Diaphragm, head meat (muscle meat) and
tongue are not offals in the accepted sense. This leaves pancreas and tail
meat to be considered. .........

snip...

IN reaching your views on these issues, could I please draw to your
attention the relationship that they will have for meat products general.
Although the Southwood Report confined itself to offals baby foods,
opinions are already being expressed publicly (some medical practitioners)
that similar prohibitions should extend to all meat products. SINCE SOME
MEAT PRODUCTS WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE CONSUMED BY
BY YOUNG CHILDREN OR TEENAGERS, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT
TO DRAW A LINE BETWEEN BABY FOODS AND OTHERS. ...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/28001001.pdf

THE BABY FOOD (PROHIBITED OFFAL) REGULATIONS 1989

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/00002001.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/00001001.pdf

BABY FOODS

There are 4 brands available for a quick survey - Boots, Cow & Gate,
Heinz and Robinson.

None of the meat dishes included 'offal' in the ingredients.

Steak & Kidney and Beef and Oxtail did, however, include kidney and
oxtail.....

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/01/17006001.pdf

About the only item it seems many remain to be decided next week
is what if anything we say about offal in baby food. I enclose
now in confidence the draft as it stands at present concerning
this aspect. It might be that no action is recommened. On the
other hand, the working party, PERSUADED BY THE ANIMAL
EVIDENCE THAT IMMATURE ANIMALS ARE MORE
SUSCEPTIBLE TO INFECTION WITH THE AGENTS OF
SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY, may make some
recommendations either about labelling or about banning offal in baby
food.......

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/01/25001001.pdf

2. The Southwood report recommended that baby foods
manufactureres should not use ruminant offal and thymus in
baby foods. This was interpreted as any offal listed in Schedule 2
Part 2 of the Meat Product Regulations. The Committee, in effect,
are advising the Ministry that ANY offal which carries ANY risk
of transmitting the BSE agent to baby foods should not be used in their
manufacture. The offal listed in Part 2 Schedule 2 of the
MPSFPR is by NO MEANS EXHAUSTIVE, and OTHER
ORGANS EXIST e.g. ENDOCRINE AND PITUITARY GLANDS,
which are HIGH 'RISK' from the point of view of the presence of BSE or
Scrapie agent. Therefore I feel that any regulations should widen the scope
of the definition of offal to include any of these organs NOT mentioned
in Part 2...

snip...


5. I had some reservations about TAILMEAT because of its
close association with the spinal cord.

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/03008001.pdf

WE need however to be wary of casting the net too wide in case
we catch products for which there is no justification on restricting them.
What I have in mind here is your suggestion that we should also
cover all products produced from offals. Rennet is of course produced
from CALVES STOMACHS and LARD or TALLOW may
be produced from mammalian offals. SO far as I am aware
thse are produced at sufficiently high temperature that there is no
need to restrict their use in baby foods...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/03/08002001.pdf

COMMENTS FROM Dr. Hilary Pickles;

To pick out some of these tissues but not others would be difficult
to justify. Within this group I would include pancreas (sweetbread)
and PERIPHERAL NERVES (which brings in oxtail) and possibly
liver too. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND INCLUDING THESE
IN ANY BAN AT PRESENT, but it should perhaps be recognised
that the level of suspicion is somewhat higher than with other tissues
such as muscle mass (steaks etc).

RENNET SHOULD BE OF NO CONCERN SINCE IT IS AN
EXTRACT OF STOMACH ............

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/04/13002001.pdf

THE BABY FOOD (PROHIBITED OFFAL) REGULATIONS 1989

BSE-BABY FOODS R BRADELY

(written letter hard to read...TSS)

info- and to ensure we DO NOT GET THE BLAME FOR LEGISLATION
THAT CAN BE ??? ON A SCIENTIFIC BASIS.

snip...

4. An important OMISSION IS LYMPH NODE. This was NOT
identified specifically in previous regulations but IS A HIGH RISK TISSUE
IF BSE FOLLOWS THE LINE OF SCRAPIE...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/05002001.pdf

The idea therefore that the Richmond Committee should now examine
the wider issue of offals in foods and the risks of BSE does NOT seem to
me to be a logical consequence from Dr Pickles letter of 13 April.

SNIP...

I think any reference to that in the letter should be deleted and we should
stick firmly to the line that we have from Alan Lawrence that the Richmond
Committee should leave this TOPIC WELL ALONE;

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/05009001.pdf

IN CONFIDENCE

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/09001001.pdf

They classify offals into two groups as follows:-

(i) Diaphragm, head meat (muscle only), heart, kideny, liver, pancreas,
tail meat, thymus, tongue.

(ii) Brains, feet, intestine, lungs, oesophagus, rectum, spinal cord,
spleen,
stomach, texticles udder.

Group (i) can be used in ALL MEAT PRODUCTS AND CAN COUNT
TOWARD THE MEAT CONTENT OF THOSE PRODUCTS

Group (ii) can only be used in cooked meat products and cannot count
towards meat content.......

21 pages;

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1989/05/23004001.pdf

Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
P.O. Box 42
Bacliff, Texas USA 77518

Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:

> ##################### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
> #####################
>
> BSE 'may have entered baby food in 70s'
>
> James Meikle, health correspondent
> Friday March 4, 2005
> The Guardian

snip...END...TSS



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