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From: TSS (pool156-69.dial-u1.hou.wt.net)
Subject: VERMONT SHEEP ATYPICAL TSE 'DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY' AND NATURAL GOAT BSE
Date: February 2, 2005 at 4:40 pm PST
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Subject: Re: AW: [BSE-L] USDA did not test possible mad cows - Dr. Detwiler, what about those sheep?
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:50:25 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
To: BSE-L@LISTSERV.KALIV.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE
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##################### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #####################
Greetings list members, THIS confirmed BSE in GOAT by NATURAL conditions ; A suspected case of BSE in a goat slaughtered in France in 2002 has been
confirmed today by a panel of European scientists http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/05/29&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/food/biosafety/bse/crl_statement_tse_goats_28-01-05_en.pdf SURE makes these ATYPICAL TSE sheep from VERMONT a bit
more interesting. MAYBE this is why the mouse bio assays were
put off for more than 2 years, and nobody knows why or anything
about it ;-) TSS Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote: > ##################### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
> #####################
>
> Greetings list members,
>
> It seems my efforts to find the truth behind the lies the USDA keep
> telling us about the animal TSEs in the USA just keep getting deeper
> and deeper. IT's like a revolving door of lies and deceit about
> mad cow disease and other TSEs in animals in the USA. I would say
> watching this administration crumble before our eyes after the
> re-election, i would say these people deserve every bit that they get,
> they voted for this chronic liar, put him back in office for us all to
> endure another 4 years of the same old BSeee. HOWEVER, after
> great consideration and thought i am deeply saddened at all this.
> WHERE does it all end? HOW far is this administration willing
> to go? IT's really become very very frightening. I feel like we are
> not living in a Democracy anymore, but under a Dictatorship.
> Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that is mine.
>
> WITH that said, I got a reply finally from SEAC about the infamous
> VERMONT sheep from Belgium with the atypical TSE.
>
> IF you remember correctly, Dr. Detwiler kindly replied to me about
> this ;
>
>> 6/12/04
>>
>> Mr. Singeltary.
>
>
>> I hope this finds you well. As you are aware I left the USDA last
>> year. I can only update you on the sheep before that time. Contact
>> was established with the UK on doing the bioassay studies. They
>> agreed. However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence
>> the delay. I am aware that there are now additional labs in Europe
>> running the mouse bioassay strain typing. You will have to contact
>> USDA for further word.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Linda Detwiler
>>
>>
>
> TODAY, i finally recieve this from SEAC about these so called
> mouse bioassays that never took place on the Vermont sheep,
> and it still looks like the ball was dropped by the USDA to me.
> I guess like everything else they do, we will never know the truth...
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: re-85th Meeting of SEAC - 30.11.04
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:56:55 -0000
> From: "Barlow, Tom (SEAC)"
> To: "'flounder@wt.net'"
>
>
>
> Dear Mr Singeltary
>
> Thank you for you enquiry to the SEAC secretariat about mouse bioassays
> commissioned by the USDA to investigate TSE cases in imported sheep.
> After making a number of enquiries, it appears that Defra were not
> involved
> with this work. However, it is possible that a UK research laboratory
> was
> contacted by the USDA about such tests but I have been unable to find out
> any further information. You may wish to make further enquiries with the
> USDA.
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Tom Barlow
>
> Dr Tom Barlow
> Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee (SEAC) Secretariat
> Area 108, 1A Page Street, London SW1P 4PQ
>
> Tel: 0207 904 6267
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. [mailto:flounder@wt.net]
> Sent: 02 December 2004 20:19
> To: Dale, Tabitha J (SEAC)
> Subject: re-85th Meeting of SEAC - 30.11.04
>
>
> Hello Tabitha,
>
> A kind greetings from Texas.
>
> I had signed up for the meeting and wanted to ask a
> question, but it took
> me too long to finally get everything working properly on my
> end with
> the viewing. finally got things going today and got into the
> audio of the
> meeting (will have to download an upgrade for my windows
> media).
>
> ASIDE from the disturbing points made about sCJD not being
> tied
> to BSE from some unpublished mouse bioassays (if i heard
> that right)
> and the fact that they still today base the increase of
> sporadic CJD in
> known BSE countries as a happenstance of better
> surveillance, I wish
> to kindly ask a question not pertaining to the above, as
> disturbing as
> it is (lost my mother to the hvCJD 12/14/97) and i simply
> have never
> accepted the spontaneous/sporadic aspects of this agent in
> 85%+ of
> all humans. never will, it's a pipe dream thought up in some
> back room
> in the 80s to protect the industries involved (my opinion).
>
> MY question is one about the VERMONT USA SHEEP that were
> imported to the USA from Belgium and confiscated by the USDA
> several
> years ago due to an atypical TSE, with the announcement that
> mouse studies would be immediately started. I was informed by Dr.
> Linda Detwiler that it
> was DEFRA that was responsible for these mouse studies being
> put on hold
> for 2 years. WHY were such important studies put off for 2
> years by DEFRA?
>
> HERE is my correspondence with Dr. Detwiler;
>
> Release No. 0141.02
>
> Ed Curlett (301) 734-3256
> Jerry Redding (202) 720-6959
>
>
> TESTING TO CONTINUE ON IMPORTED SHEEP CONFISCATED LAST YEAR
>
>
> WASHINGTON, April 11, 2002 -- The U.S. Department of
> Agriculture today announced that tests conducted on a flock of
> sheep
> confiscated last year from a farm in Vermont confirm that two
> of the 125 sheep
> tested positive for an atypical undifferentiated transmissible
> spongiform
> encephalopathy (TSE) of foreign origin. The flock of 125 sheep
> was
> confiscated in March 2001 after four animals from an
> associated flock tested
> positive for TSE in July 2000. USDA will continue to conduct
> additional tests
> to determine the type of TSE in these sheep.
>
> "These results confirm our previous conclusions were correct
> and that we took the appropriate preventative actions in
> confiscating
> these animals," said Bobby Acord, administrator of USDAs Animal
> and Plant Health Inspection Service. "USDAs actions to
> confiscate,
> sample and destroy these sheep were on target. As a result of our
> vigilance, none of these confiscated animals entered the
> animal or human
> food supply."
>
> The sheep, imported from Belgium and the Netherlands in
> 1996, were placed under certain federal restrictions when they
> entered
> the country as part of USDA's scrapie control efforts. In
> 1998, USDA
> learned that it was likely that sheep from Europe were exposed
> to feed
> contaminated with bovine spongiform encephalopathy. At that
> time, the state of
> Vermont, at the request of USDA, imposed a quarantine on these
> flocks,
> which prohibited slaughter or sale for breeding purposes.
>
> On July 10, 2000, several sheep from the flock tested
> positive for a TSE, a class of degenerative neurological
> diseases that is
> characterized by a very long incubation period and a 100
> percent mortality
> rate in infected sheep. Two of the better known varieties of
> TSE are
> scrapie in sheep and BSE in cattle. There is no evidence that
> scrapie
> poses a risk to human health.
>
> On July 14, 2000, USDA issued a declaration of extraordinary
> emergency to acquire the sheep. This action was contested by
> the flock
> owners. A federal district court judge ruled in favor of USDA
> based on
> the merits of the case. The flock owners appealed to the
> Second Circuit
> Court requesting a stay, which was denied. The sheep were
> confiscated by USDA in March 2001 and transported to USDA's
> National Veterinary
> Services Laboratories in Ames, Iowa, where they were humanely
> euthanized. Tissue samples were collected from the sheep for
> diagnostic testing
> and USDA will continue with additional tests which could take
> up to 2
> - 3 years to complete. In all, USDA has acquired 380 sheep from a
> total of three flocks. All of the animals were humanely
> euthanized, sampled
> and disposed and did not enter the animal or human food supply.
>
> Our goal continues to be to prevent, detect and eradicate
> foreign animal diseases to protect American agriculture,
> natural resources
> and consumers," said Acord. "We will continue to utilize the
> scientific results of these and other tests conducted during
> the last
> several years to strengthen our extensive surveillance,
> monitoring and
> prevention efforts."
>
> For more information about USDAs ongoing surveillance,
> monitoring and prevention efforts as it relates to this
> situation, please
> visit www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/tse/index.html
>
>
> #
>
>
> NOW, June 2004 those same test that we were told would start
> in
> 2002, have yet to be started. THE TSE those VERMONT sheep
> was supposedly to have had, has yet to be confirmed.
>
> WHY?
>
> Correspondence from Dr. Detwiler to me;
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Sheep
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:26:04 EDT
> From: LAVET22@aol.com
> To: flounder@wt.net
>
>
>
> Mr. Singeltary.
>
> I hope this finds you well. As you are aware I left the
> USDA last
> year. I can only update you on the sheep before that time.
> Contact was
> established with the UK on doing the bioassay studies. They
> agreed.
> However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence
> the delay. I
> am aware that there are now additional labs in Europe
> running the mouse
> bioassay strain typing. You will have to contact USDA for
> further word.
>
>
> Linda Detwiler
> =========
>
>
> >However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence
> the delay. >
>
> IF this was the case, this is totally unacceptable. FOR
> something that has been
> ongoing since the 80s (BSE in SHEEP/GOATS) yet still
> unresolved, there is
> absolutely no excuse why these studies were put off. with
> the other sheep
> brain mix-up and now the BSE in the French Goat, I find it
> very disturbing that
> the Vermont Sheep studies were put off for 2 years for
> whatever reason, especially with the findings Dormont*, and
> Jean-Philippe
> Deslys* et al, that
> The agent responsible for French iatrogenic growth
> hormone-linked CJD taken as a control is very different from
> vCJD but is
> similar to that found in one case of sporadic CJD and one
> sheep scrapie
> isolate;
>
> http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/041490898v1
>
>
> YES, i am still very angry, but i want to still thank SEAC
> for the work
> they have done, i only wish things would go much faster and
> that the
> BSE/nvCJD only theory would be put to rest once and for all.
> Science
> has pretty much proven that it was a pipe dream, however
> science
> does not have near as much to do with this mess anymore as
> the
> industry and politics do. it's simply not about science
> anymore.
> IN the USA, you dont even hear of these new studies from the
> Gov. and very little from the media...
>
> thank you,
> kindest regards,
>
> Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
> P.O. Box 42
> Bacliff, TEXAS USA 77518
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:
>
>> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
>> #########
>>
>> Greetings list members,
>>
>> Thought I should let the list know that Dr. Detwiler kindly replied
>> to my
>> question about the delayed 'atypical' TSE testing in the Vermont
>> sheep and
>> tried to explain what caused the delay. If I interpreted it correctly,
>> seems it was the fault of the U.K. ;
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Sheep
>> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:26:04 EDT
>> From: LAVET22@aol.com
>> To: flounder@wt.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Singeltary.
>>
>> I hope this finds you well. As you are aware I left the USDA last
>> year. I can only update you on the sheep before that time. Contact was
>> established with the UK on doing the bioassay studies. They agreed.
>> However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence the delay. I
>> am aware that there are now additional labs in Europe running the mouse
>> bioassay strain typing. You will have to contact USDA for further
>> word.
>>
>>
>> Linda Detwiler
>> =========
>>
>> My reply to Dr. Detwiler;
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Sheep
>> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:53:57 -0500
>> From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
>> To: LAVET22@aol.com
>> References: <54.2bd2ac1e.2dfca4bc@aol.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> hello Dr. Detwiler,
>>
>> thanks for your kind reply.
>>
>>> However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence the delay.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> not sure i understand that?
>>
>>> You will have to contact USDA for further word.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> already done that, and there answer was;
>>
>>> 5/20/04
>>>
>>
>>> Dear Mr. Singeltary,
>>>
>>> The Western blot tests on these animals were completed in April of this
>>> year. That means that we can begin the mouse inoculations. To get the
>>> results of the Western blot tests, you will need to submit a Freedom of
>>> Information Act request through our FOIA office. The FAX number
>>> there is
>>> 301-734-5941.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>>
>>> Jim Rogers
>>> APHIS LPA
>>>
>>
>> and with my previous attempts for information via the FOIA through
>> this administration (as you are probably very well aware of) they have
>> all been ignored/refused. so any further attempts would be fruitless
>> i am
>> sure.
>>
>> thanks anyway...
>>
>> kindest regards,
>> Terry
>>
>> LAVET22@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Singeltary.
>>
>>
>>
>> snip...
>>
>> TSS
>>
>> Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:
>>
>>> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
>>> #########
>>>
>>> Greetings Dr. Detwiler,
>>>
>>> glad to see you are still with us, you had become very silent lately.
>>> hope you are enjoying semi retirement.
>>>
>>> recently, i inquired through the BSE-L and via USDA official about
>>> those Vermont sheep via belgium which there was an Extraordinary
>>> Declaration of Emergency declared here in the USA due to
>>> atypical scrapie. The thread is;
>>>
>>> Confiscation of Sheep in Vermont and testing results ? Thu, 20 May 2004
>>> 12:10:03 -0500 "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." Bovine
>>> Spongiform Encephalopathy BSE-L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Imported
>>>> Belgium/Netherlands
>>>> Sheep Test Results
>>>> Background
>>>> Factsheet
>>>> Veterinary Services April 2002
>>>> APHIS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> snip...
>>>
>>>> Additional tests will be conducted to determine
>>>> exactly what TSE the animals haveBSE or scrapie.
>>>> These tests involve the use of bioassays that consist
>>>> of injecting mice with tissue from the infected animals
>>>> and waiting for them to develop disease. This testing
>>>> may take at least 2 to 3 years to complete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/fsheet_faq_notice/fs_ahvtsheeptr.pdf
>>>
>>> DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E.
>>> (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES
>>>
>>> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_register&doci
>>>
>>>
>>> d=fr20jy00-32
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E
>>> (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [2]
>>>
>>> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_register&doci
>>>
>>>
>>> d=fr20jy00-31
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> or if those old urls dont work, go here;
>>>
>>> DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E
>>> (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES
>>> - Terry S.
>>> Singeltary Sr. 7/20/00 (0)
>>>
>>> http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/7507.html
>>>
>>> I was told that ;
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: hello Dr. Sutton...question please...scrapie...TSS
>>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:09 -0400
>>> From: Jim.D.Rogers@aphis.usda.gov
>>> To: flounder@wt.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Singeltary,
>>>
>>> The Western blot tests on these animals were completed in April of this
>>> year. That means that we can begin the mouse inoculations. To get the
>>> results of the Western blot tests, you will need to submit a Freedom of
>>> Information Act request through our FOIA office. The FAX number
>>> there is
>>> 301-734-5941.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>>
>>> Jim Rogers
>>> APHIS LPA
>>> =========
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Detwiler, my question is, why have these very important test been
>>> delayed for so long when we were told they were to have been started
>>> some 2+ years ago?
>>>
>>> who made this call to delay these very important test and why ?
>>>
>>> thank you,
>>> with kindest regards,
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>> Linda Detwiler wrote:
>>>
>>>> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
>>>> #########
>>>>
>>>> I m responding to Roland's post about my quote in the article by Steve
>>>> Mitchell. I spent a fair amount of time on the phone with Mr.
>>>> Mitchell on more than
>>>> one occasion. The quote was one aspect of our conversation. Even
>>>> the quote
>>>> included "probably". I explained about proper location and sampling
>>>> condition of the brain. I also added in our conversation that the
>>>> best methodology is
>>>> to utilize both a test for PrP as well as histopathology when
>>>> examining
>>>> brains from cattle with CNS disease. This is why as early as
>>>> 1993-94 the USDA
>>>> began using IHC in its TSE testing regime at the National Veterinary
>>>> Services
>>>> Laboratory. However, utilizing only a PrP test eliminates the
>>>> possibility of
>>>> diagnosing another neurologic disease.
>>>>
>>>> All of the tests have advantages and disadvantages. For example, I
>>>> have been
>>>> to a number of laboratories in Europe and watched as technicians took
>>>> the
>>>> test samples from the brain stem. They sample hundreds per night.
>>>> If they get
>>>> distracted the may take the sample lateral, or rostral to the
>>>> obex. If this
>>>> animal was in an earlier stage of disease, there may be a very small
>>>> amount of
>>>> PrPsc and limited to a single location in the brain. If that sample
>>>> missed
>>>> the obex, the sample would be negative and life goes on. With any
>>>> test using
>>>> a homogenate I am not aware that there is any cross check for
>>>> location.
>>>>
>>>> With IHC, the pathologist can determine location, however it too has
>>>> drawbacks in regard to sample condition. There is no perfect test.
>>>> There are
>>>> limitations to the tests themselves and there are limitations to all
>>>> of the aspects
>>>> of collection. Hence utilizing multiple tests especially for CNS
>>>> cases is
>>>> prudent. It is also prudent to examine other locations of the brain
>>>> in the event
>>>> a disease changes or something new emerges.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linda Detwiler
>>>>
>>>> ######### http://mailhost-alt.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
>>>> ##########
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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> TSS
>
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