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From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. (wt-d6-157.wt.net)
Subject: 'ATYPICAL' TSE VERMONT SHEEP USA UPDATE DECEMBER 21, 2004
Date: December 21, 2004 at 11:07 am PST

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: AW: [BSE-L] USDA did not test possible mad cows - Dr. Detwiler, what about those sheep?
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:59:09 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
To: BSE-L@LISTSERV.KALIV.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE
References: <13.2d20eaae.2df84fb9@aol.com> <40C8C7A0.1080107@wt.net> <40CC806C.7010204@wt.net>


##################### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #####################

Greetings list members,

It seems my efforts to find the truth behind the lies the USDA keep
telling us about the animal TSEs in the USA just keep getting deeper
and deeper. IT's like a revolving door of lies and deceit about
mad cow disease and other TSEs in animals in the USA. I would say
watching this administration crumble before our eyes after the
re-election, i would say these people deserve every bit that they get,
they voted for this chronic liar, put him back in office for us all to
endure another 4 years of the same old BSeee. HOWEVER, after
great consideration and thought i am deeply saddened at all this.
WHERE does it all end? HOW far is this administration willing
to go? IT's really become very very frightening. I feel like we are
not living in a Democracy anymore, but under a Dictatorship.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that is mine.

WITH that said, I got a reply finally from SEAC about the infamous
VERMONT sheep from Belgium with the atypical TSE.

IF you remember correctly, Dr. Detwiler kindly replied to me about
this ;

> 6/12/04
>
> Mr. Singeltary.

> I hope this finds you well. As you are aware I left the USDA last
> year. I can only update you on the sheep before that time. Contact
> was established with the UK on doing the bioassay studies. They
> agreed. However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence the
> delay. I am aware that there are now additional labs in Europe
> running the mouse bioassay strain typing. You will have to contact
> USDA for further word.
>
>>
>>
>> Linda Detwiler
>

TODAY, i finally recieve this from SEAC about these so called
mouse bioassays that never took place on the Vermont sheep,
and it still looks like the ball was dropped by the USDA to me.
I guess like everything else they do, we will never know the truth...


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: re-85th Meeting of SEAC - 30.11.04
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:56:55 -0000
From: "Barlow, Tom (SEAC)"
To: "'flounder@wt.net'"

Dear Mr Singeltary

Thank you for you enquiry to the SEAC secretariat about mouse bioassays
commissioned by the USDA to investigate TSE cases in imported sheep.

After making a number of enquiries, it appears that Defra were not involved
with this work. However, it is possible that a UK research laboratory was
contacted by the USDA about such tests but I have been unable to find out
any further information. You may wish to make further enquiries with the
USDA.

Yours sincerely

Tom Barlow

Dr Tom Barlow
Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee (SEAC) Secretariat
Area 108, 1A Page Street, London SW1P 4PQ

Tel: 0207 904 6267
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. [mailto:flounder@wt.net]
Sent: 02 December 2004 20:19
To: Dale, Tabitha J (SEAC)
Subject: re-85th Meeting of SEAC - 30.11.04


Hello Tabitha,

A kind greetings from Texas.

I had signed up for the meeting and wanted to ask a
question, but it took
me too long to finally get everything working properly on my
end with
the viewing. finally got things going today and got into the
audio of the
meeting (will have to download an upgrade for my windows
media).

ASIDE from the disturbing points made about sCJD not being
tied
to BSE from some unpublished mouse bioassays (if i heard
that right)
and the fact that they still today base the increase of
sporadic CJD in
known BSE countries as a happenstance of better
surveillance, I wish
to kindly ask a question not pertaining to the above, as
disturbing as
it is (lost my mother to the hvCJD 12/14/97) and i simply
have never
accepted the spontaneous/sporadic aspects of this agent in
85%+ of
all humans. never will, it's a pipe dream thought up in some
back room
in the 80s to protect the industries involved (my opinion).

MY question is one about the VERMONT USA SHEEP that were
imported to the USA from Belgium and confiscated by the USDA
several
years ago due to an atypical TSE, with the announcement that
mouse
studies would be immediately started. I was informed by Dr.
Linda
Detwiler that it
was DEFRA that was responsible for these mouse studies being
put on hold
for 2 years. WHY were such important studies put off for 2
years by DEFRA?

HERE is my correspondence with Dr. Detwiler;

Release No. 0141.02

Ed Curlett (301) 734-3256
Jerry Redding (202) 720-6959


TESTING TO CONTINUE ON IMPORTED SHEEP CONFISCATED LAST YEAR


WASHINGTON, April 11, 2002 -- The U.S. Department of
Agriculture today
announced that tests conducted on a flock of sheep
confiscated last year
from a farm in Vermont confirm that two of the 125 sheep
tested positive
for an atypical undifferentiated transmissible spongiform
encephalopathy
(TSE) of foreign origin. The flock of 125 sheep was
confiscated in March
2001 after four animals from an associated flock tested
positive for TSE
in July 2000. USDA will continue to conduct additional tests
to
determine the type of TSE in these sheep.

"These results confirm our previous conclusions were correct
and that we
took the appropriate preventative actions in confiscating
these
animals," said Bobby Acord, administrator of USDAs Animal
and Plant
Health Inspection Service. "USDAs actions to confiscate,
sample and
destroy these sheep were on target. As a result of our
vigilance, none
of these confiscated animals entered the animal or human
food supply."

The sheep, imported from Belgium and the Netherlands in
1996, were
placed under certain federal restrictions when they entered
the country
as part of USDA's scrapie control efforts. In 1998, USDA
learned that it
was likely that sheep from Europe were exposed to feed
contaminated with
bovine spongiform encephalopathy. At that time, the state of
Vermont, at
the request of USDA, imposed a quarantine on these flocks,
which
prohibited slaughter or sale for breeding purposes.

On July 10, 2000, several sheep from the flock tested
positive for a
TSE, a class of degenerative neurological diseases that is
characterized
by a very long incubation period and a 100 percent mortality
rate in
infected sheep. Two of the better known varieties of TSE are
scrapie in
sheep and BSE in cattle. There is no evidence that scrapie
poses a risk
to human health.

On July 14, 2000, USDA issued a declaration of extraordinary
emergency
to acquire the sheep. This action was contested by the flock
owners. A
federal district court judge ruled in favor of USDA based on
the merits
of the case. The flock owners appealed to the Second Circuit
Court
requesting a stay, which was denied. The sheep were
confiscated by USDA
in March 2001 and transported to USDA's National Veterinary
Services
Laboratories in Ames, Iowa, where they were humanely
euthanized. Tissue
samples were collected from the sheep for diagnostic testing
and USDA
will continue with additional tests which could take up to 2
- 3 years
to complete. In all, USDA has acquired 380 sheep from a
total of three
flocks. All of the animals were humanely euthanized, sampled
and
disposed and did not enter the animal or human food supply.

Our goal continues to be to prevent, detect and eradicate
foreign animal
diseases to protect American agriculture, natural resources
and
consumers," said Acord. "We will continue to utilize the
scientific
results of these and other tests conducted during the last
several years
to strengthen our extensive surveillance, monitoring and
prevention
efforts."

For more information about USDAs ongoing surveillance,
monitoring and
prevention efforts as it relates to this situation, please
visit
www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/tse/index.html


#


NOW, June 2004 those same test that we were told would start
in
2002, have yet to be started. THE TSE those VERMONT sheep
was supposedly to have had, has yet to be confirmed.

WHY?

Correspondence from Dr. Detwiler to me;

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Sheep
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:26:04 EDT
From: LAVET22@aol.com
To: flounder@wt.net

Mr. Singeltary.

I hope this finds you well. As you are aware I left the
USDA last
year. I can only update you on the sheep before that time.
Contact was
established with the UK on doing the bioassay studies. They
agreed.
However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence
the delay. I
am aware that there are now additional labs in Europe
running the mouse
bioassay strain typing. You will have to contact USDA for
further word.


Linda Detwiler
=========


>However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence
the delay.
>

IF this was the case, this is totally unacceptable. FOR
something that
has been
ongoing since the 80s (BSE in SHEEP/GOATS) yet still
unresolved, there is
absolutely no excuse why these studies were put off. with
the other sheep
brain mix-up and now the BSE in the French Goat, I find it
very
disturbing that
the Vermont Sheep studies were put off for 2 years for
whatever reason,
especially with the findings Dormont*, and Jean-Philippe
Deslys* et al,
that
The agent responsible for French iatrogenic growth
hormone-linked CJD
taken as a control is very different from vCJD but is
similar to that
found in one case of sporadic CJD and one sheep scrapie
isolate;

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/041490898v1


YES, i am still very angry, but i want to still thank SEAC
for the work
they have done, i only wish things would go much faster and
that the
BSE/nvCJD only theory would be put to rest once and for all.
Science
has pretty much proven that it was a pipe dream, however
science
does not have near as much to do with this mess anymore as
the
industry and politics do. it's simply not about science
anymore.
IN the USA, you dont even hear of these new studies from the
Gov. and very little from the media...

thank you,
kindest regards,

Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
P.O. Box 42
Bacliff, TEXAS USA 77518


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Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:

> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
> #########
>
> Greetings list members,
>
> Thought I should let the list know that Dr. Detwiler kindly replied to my
> question about the delayed 'atypical' TSE testing in the Vermont sheep
> and
> tried to explain what caused the delay. If I interpreted it correctly,
> seems it was the fault of the U.K. ;
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Sheep
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:26:04 EDT
> From: LAVET22@aol.com
> To: flounder@wt.net
>
>
>
> Mr. Singeltary.
>
> I hope this finds you well. As you are aware I left the USDA last
> year. I can only update you on the sheep before that time. Contact was
> established with the UK on doing the bioassay studies. They agreed.
> However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence the delay. I
> am aware that there are now additional labs in Europe running the mouse
> bioassay strain typing. You will have to contact USDA for further word.
>
>
> Linda Detwiler
> =========
>
> My reply to Dr. Detwiler;
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Sheep
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:53:57 -0500
> From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
> To: LAVET22@aol.com
> References: <54.2bd2ac1e.2dfca4bc@aol.com>
>
>
>
> hello Dr. Detwiler,
>
> thanks for your kind reply.
>
>> However, we were prioritized after their own needs, hence the delay.
>
>
>
> not sure i understand that?
>
>> You will have to contact USDA for further word.
>
>
>
> already done that, and there answer was;
>
>> 5/20/04
>>
>
>> Dear Mr. Singeltary,
>>
>> The Western blot tests on these animals were completed in April of this
>> year. That means that we can begin the mouse inoculations. To get the
>> results of the Western blot tests, you will need to submit a Freedom of
>> Information Act request through our FOIA office. The FAX number there is
>> 301-734-5941.
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>>
>> Jim Rogers
>> APHIS LPA
>>
>
> and with my previous attempts for information via the FOIA through
> this administration (as you are probably very well aware of) they have
> all been ignored/refused. so any further attempts would be fruitless i am
> sure.
>
> thanks anyway...
>
> kindest regards,
> Terry
>
> LAVET22@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Mr. Singeltary.
>
>
> snip...
>
> TSS
>
> Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:
>
>> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
>> #########
>>
>> Greetings Dr. Detwiler,
>>
>> glad to see you are still with us, you had become very silent lately.
>> hope you are enjoying semi retirement.
>>
>> recently, i inquired through the BSE-L and via USDA official about
>> those Vermont sheep via belgium which there was an Extraordinary
>> Declaration of Emergency declared here in the USA due to
>> atypical scrapie. The thread is;
>>
>> Confiscation of Sheep in Vermont and testing results ? Thu, 20 May 2004
>> 12:10:03 -0500 "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." Bovine
>> Spongiform Encephalopathy BSE-L
>>
>>
>>
>>> Imported
>>> Belgium/Netherlands
>>> Sheep Test Results
>>> Background
>>> Factsheet
>>> Veterinary Services April 2002
>>> APHIS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> snip...
>>
>>> Additional tests will be conducted to determine
>>> exactly what TSE the animals haveBSE or scrapie.
>>> These tests involve the use of bioassays that consist
>>> of injecting mice with tissue from the infected animals
>>> and waiting for them to develop disease. This testing
>>> may take at least 2 to 3 years to complete.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/fsheet_faq_notice/fs_ahvtsheeptr.pdf
>>
>> DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E.
>> (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES
>>
>> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_register&doci
>>
>>
>> d=fr20jy00-32
>>
>>
>>
>> DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E
>> (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [2]
>>
>> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_register&doci
>>
>>
>> d=fr20jy00-31
>>
>>
>>
>> or if those old urls dont work, go here;
>>
>> DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E
>> (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES
>> - Terry S.
>> Singeltary Sr. 7/20/00 (0)
>>
>> http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/7507.html
>>
>> I was told that ;
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: hello Dr. Sutton...question please...scrapie...TSS
>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:09 -0400
>> From: Jim.D.Rogers@aphis.usda.gov
>> To: flounder@wt.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Singeltary,
>>
>> The Western blot tests on these animals were completed in April of this
>> year. That means that we can begin the mouse inoculations. To get the
>> results of the Western blot tests, you will need to submit a Freedom of
>> Information Act request through our FOIA office. The FAX number there is
>> 301-734-5941.
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>>
>> Jim Rogers
>> APHIS LPA
>> =========
>>
>>
>> Dr. Detwiler, my question is, why have these very important test been
>> delayed for so long when we were told they were to have been started
>> some 2+ years ago?
>>
>> who made this call to delay these very important test and why ?
>>
>> thank you,
>> with kindest regards,
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> Linda Detwiler wrote:
>>
>>> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
>>> #########
>>>
>>> I m responding to Roland's post about my quote in the article by Steve
>>> Mitchell. I spent a fair amount of time on the phone with Mr.
>>> Mitchell on more than
>>> one occasion. The quote was one aspect of our conversation. Even
>>> the quote
>>> included "probably". I explained about proper location and sampling
>>> condition of the brain. I also added in our conversation that the
>>> best methodology is
>>> to utilize both a test for PrP as well as histopathology when
>>> examining
>>> brains from cattle with CNS disease. This is why as early as
>>> 1993-94 the USDA
>>> began using IHC in its TSE testing regime at the National Veterinary
>>> Services
>>> Laboratory. However, utilizing only a PrP test eliminates the
>>> possibility of
>>> diagnosing another neurologic disease.
>>>
>>> All of the tests have advantages and disadvantages. For example, I
>>> have been
>>> to a number of laboratories in Europe and watched as technicians took
>>> the
>>> test samples from the brain stem. They sample hundreds per night.
>>> If they get
>>> distracted the may take the sample lateral, or rostral to the
>>> obex. If this
>>> animal was in an earlier stage of disease, there may be a very small
>>> amount of
>>> PrPsc and limited to a single location in the brain. If that sample
>>> missed
>>> the obex, the sample would be negative and life goes on. With any
>>> test using
>>> a homogenate I am not aware that there is any cross check for location.
>>>
>>> With IHC, the pathologist can determine location, however it too has
>>> drawbacks in regard to sample condition. There is no perfect test.
>>> There are
>>> limitations to the tests themselves and there are limitations to all
>>> of the aspects
>>> of collection. Hence utilizing multiple tests especially for CNS
>>> cases is
>>> prudent. It is also prudent to examine other locations of the brain
>>> in the event
>>> a disease changes or something new emerges.
>>>
>>>
>>> Linda Detwiler
>>>
>>> ######### http://mailhost-alt.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
>>> ##########
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ######### http://mailhost-alt.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
>> ##########
>>
>
> ######### http://mailhost-alt.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
> ##########
>
TSS

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