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From: TSS (216-119-132-66.ipset12.wt.net)
Subject: COUNTRY CANADA 'SHOOT, SHOVEL, AND SHUT UP' Tuesday November 9 starting at 10 pm on CBC
Date: November 9, 2004 at 10:13 am PST

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Subject: COUNTRY CANADA 'SHOOT, SHOVEL, AND SHUT UP' Tuesday November 9 starting at 10 pm on CBC
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:11:35 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
To: BSE-L@UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE


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COUNTRY CANADA 'SHOOT, SHOVEL, AND SHUT UP'
Tuesday November 9 starting at 10 pm on CBC

>terry,
>
>you and many others have expressed interest in knowing when the Country
>Canada
>production "Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up" airs on The National. Well -
>tonight [Tuesday
>November 9] is the night. The National airs starting at 10 pm on CBC.
>Tell your freinds!
>And thank you again for your support of our program.
>
>christian cote
>senior producer
>


PREVIOUSLY AIRED;


OCTOBER 17
Shoot, Shovel and Shut Up

REG SHERREN: Hi I'm Reg Sherren. Welcome to another season of Country
Canada. Our 50th.

I've just done something that not a single Canadian cow has been able to
do for over a year. I've just managed to cross the US boarder.

One sick animal and the American government shut the entire borer down a
decision made by this woman. (Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman.)

The US has had a case of mad cow too - but the cow was born in Canada
giving the American government yet another opportunity to say BSE is our
problem, and their surveillance system is second to none. But is it? You
are about to find out.

REG SHERREN: Canadian ranchers have been taking it in the neck and
taking it in the pocketbook ever since that first cow was discovered
back in Alberta. But the Americans have problems of their own. Big
problems starting right here in Washington State. You might say this is
their ground zero when it comes to BSE or mad cow disease.

Moses Lake. Christmas turned out to be a bit of a downer last year. This
is where American officials found what they said was their first case of
Mad cow disease.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: This is clear indication that our
surveillance and detection program is working. I plan to serve beef for
my Christmas dinner

REG SHERREN: But it didn't take long for Secretary Veneman's claims to
be countered by whispers even accusations that the discovery was more
dumb luck than design. And there's one guy who knows exactly what
happened & The man who killed the cow.

Dave Louthan spent four years on the kill floor at Vern's meats. Not all
cows arrive healthy. Here the sick ones, known as downers, are supposed
to be tested for mad cow disease. According to the U.S. department of
Agriculture, they are the only cows that need to be tested for B.S.E.

And the USDA maintains the cow that tested positive in Moses Lake wasn't
well& it was a downer & and that's why their surveillance system caught it.

I don't think so says Dave.

REG SHERREN: Let's be clear about this - was this cow a downer?

DAVE LOUTHAN: Oh no, that was a good walking cow. That cow could outrun
anybody here.

REG SHERREN: When the truckload of cattle backed up to Vern's meats that
day, the cow in question got mixed in with some downers. But Dave
insists the cow was healthy, showing no signs of a central nervous
system disorder& an indicator of BSE.&but it got tested anyway.

DAVE LOUTHAN: It was just a, a fluke, a technical mistake. Because I
killed her on the trailer, that made her a backdoor cow. And she went in
right along with the downers, and because she went in with the downers,
she got tested. If I had put her in the pens, that cow would never have
been tested and nobody would've ever known that that was a BSE cow.

REG SHERREN: Then Dave saw Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman step
before the cameras and declare to the world that the cow he killed
wasn't well..a downer.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: & like this one, a downer animal

DAVE LOUTHAN: So I went up and told - I went back out and told the USDA
and the FDA guys that were following me around, I said, hold it. I don't
work for the government. I ain't going to be part of no government cover
up - that's when I went up to the front and I saw the news crew out
there. And my head was just pounding. I thought, something just has to
be done here.

REG SHERREN: The last straw, says Dave, came when he realized the meat
from the cow was probably already on store shelves, or had been eaten,
and the government didn't seem to be warning anybody.

DAVE LOUTHAN: I took my knives, I hung 'em up, I walked down the
hallway, passed my bosses, walked out the front door, heard them say, oh
sh!t, he's going outside. And I walked straight up to the news crew. I
said, I'm Dave, I killed that cow, what do you want to know?

REPORTER: The USDA says we don't have to worry about the meat getting
into the food supply.

DAVE LOUTHAN: "It's meat. If it's not in the food supply, where else
would it be. It's meat."

REG SHERREN: Dave went public, and Dave lost his job. But it didn't shut
him up. He got himself a computer and e-mailed every government
inspector he could find, telling them how the mad cow surveillance
system really works.

DAVE LOUTHAN: They wanted, they wanted me quiet and this thing forgotten
as quick as possible and business as usual. But I kept shooting my mouth
off. And so, they came back again - well, after that, after he left, I
started seeing these guys following me around, I was here in town.
They'd park across the street. I would go uptown, they would follow me
uptown. I'd come home, and they'd park across the street, and my
sweetheart was - my sweetheart said, finally at this point she said, no
more. Take your federal agents and your mad cows and your reporters, and
get the hell out,

REG SHERREN: Dave didn't stop there. He testified before state
hearings&twice. The inspector general of the department of agriculture
investigated. It found five people that backed up Dave's contention that
the animal wasn't a downer, it was healthy looking.

But the department of agriculture still maintains, publicly at least,
that the cow was unhealthy, a downer, and their system worked just fine.

REG SHERREN: THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIONS, AND A LOT OF THIS
STUFF HAS COME OUT, DO YOU FEEL VINDICATED?

DAVE LOUTHAN: No.

REG SHERREN: WHY NOT?

DAVE LOUTHAN: Nothing changed. All that work and nothing changed. I
wanted - the whole thing was, I wanted to sit down to a cheeseburger and
eat it, and just worry about the cholesterol

REG SHERREN: SO WHAT IN YOUR, YOUR - WHAT IN YOUR OPINION IS THE
SOLUTION TO THIS?

DAVE LOUTHAN: Simple. It's so easy. Test every cow.

GRAPHICS:

Publicly the USDA continues to claim the Moses Lake cow was a downer.

Internal USDA e-mails tell a different story.

"The term downer was used loosely in this case," writes one official.

"If (the cow) had arrived by herself," writes another. "It's very likely
she would not have been tested."

REG SHERREN: Test very cow. The solution seems pretty simple, but
nothing ever is. I'm back on the road, on my way to talk to a company
that thinks that, simple or not, blanket testing is the only solution.

When we come back. A small company with a big idea & but you'll never
guess what's holding it back.

TEASE CLIP: "To say no to help the big packers is crazy."


[[COMERCIAL BREAK]]


REG SHERREN: So, I've come even deeper into the American Heartland to
meet with a bunch of people who thought their company had the perfect
solution to this mad cow mess. Or at least they thought they did. Just
as they started to get a lot of attention they hit a road block they
never expected."

Down here in Kansas, folks take their beer, their religion and their
beef pretty seriously, and not necessarily in that order. Here in the
southeast corner of Kansas, you'll also find one of the biggest blue
grass festivals in the world.

And a small beef processor that would like to get a lot bigger. Chief
operating officer for Creekstone Farms - Bill Fielding is always ready
to sell.

CREEKSTONE CEO BILL FIELDING: These are absolutely the best hamburgers
you would ever have in your life.

REG SHERREN: Oh come on that's a little bit of a sell job.

BILL FIELDING: Better than Canadian anything else

REG SHERREN: I didn't expect to see any competitor's product going on
the grill

REG SHERREN: Creekstone is state of the art, one of the most modern meat
processing facilities in the world..and it relies heavily on foreign
markets. Or, at least, it used to. One mad cow in Moses Lake changed all
that, closing the door to most export sales, and costing Creekstone it's
number one customer.

REG SHERREN: How critical is the Japanese market to your company?

BILL FIELDING: It's extremely critical it is we were shipping 30 to 40
percent of our product to Asia most of that going to Japan

REG SHERREN: And overnight that was over.

BILL FIELDING: And overnight it's cut off completely, it cut our
production back to three days a week.

REG SHERREN: What followed were job losses in a place that could hardly
afford to lose any more jobs - jobs that keep a roof over the heads of
Robert and Julie Munoz and their kids. Many of their colleagues weren't
as lucky.

ROBERT MUNOZ: I've talked to you know some of my friends that actually
had to give up homes had to give up certain things that they'd worked to
have and because they didn't have the income anymore

REG SHERREN: The only way out of the mess, according to Bill
Fielding&was to test every animal. Japan , their prime customer -
demanded it and the customer is always right.

BILL FIELDING: It was a no brainer the cost of the test was 20 dollars
and we did our homework on that.


REG SHERREN: The company spent hundreds of thousands of dollars building
a BSE lab, right in the plant.

REG SHERREN: So the whole idea here is that as these heads come by the
sample would come out come in here?

BILL FIELDING: Yes the head would go on the table there we take the
brain stem sample would be put in a vial that would pass through the
window and would come in the lab here and then we'd be able to go
through the whole process and in a matter of about 4 to five hours we'd
have a result.

REG SHERREN: But Creekstone still needed permission from Veneman's
department. It didn't get it.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN CLIP: (saying to test every cow is not
scientifically warranted.)

REG SHERREN: Creekstone only processes cattle under two and a half years
old. Too young test, said the agriculture department. To young to detect
bse. It was a huge blow to the company.

REG SHERREN: (This lab has) never been used?

BILL FIELDING: No unfortunately it's completely empty we're not allowed
to do one test. Their argument has no merit whatsoever and when you
challenge them with just very common sense kind of questions there's not
a good answer.

REG SHERREN: Bill is convinced the real reason for turning Creekstone
down, is money. If he went ahead with 100 percent testing, the big
packers would face enormous pressure to do the same& and the price tag
for that could hit a billion dollars. Even so Bill's not about to shut
-up yet either.

BILL FIELDING: What more would you ever want than a customer who will
pay the price for what they are asking for that allows you to run your
business, grow your business and for our government to say no you can't
say that because we're going to help the big packers is crazy.


GRAPHICS:

ANN VENEMAN'S DEPARTMENT CLAIMS BSE CAN'T BE DETECTED IN CATTLE UNDER 30
MONTHS IN AGE.

YET IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THE USDA TESTED MANY COWS UNDER THE AGE OF 30
MONTHS, WITH MORE THAN 2000 SHOWING BSE SYMPTOMS


REG SHERREN: In this country it's the United States department of
Agriculture that keeps an eye on the beef, but just how good is their
surveillance program? To find out I've come here to Colorado to talk to
a man who worked inside the system.

More cows than people live Fort Morgan Colorado. Or more precisely, they
die in Fort Morgan . This gigantic slaughter plant, kills thousands
every day. This is also where thousands of veterinarians and inspectors
across the country are supposed to carry out mad cow surveillance orders
every day.

If you ask Secretary of Agriculture Ann Venemen & it's a system that's
been honed to perfection.


AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN CLIP: We have been taking steps since
1990 to protect our beef supply from this disease. In the last year we
have tested 20,526 head of cattle for BSE which is triple the previous
year of 2002.

REG SHERREN: I'm looking for a second opinion & but people on the inside
rarely speak out. The government likes to keep a tight lid on
controversy. Most of the inspectors and veterinarians we contacted were
afraid to talk to us.

SOUND UP: Hi, I'm Reg Sherren.

REG SHERREN: Michael Schwochert is a career veterinarian & who worked
for the U.S.D.A. for seven years. Medical issues forced Michael's
retirement, not that he ever felt comfortable working for the
agriculture department.

MICHAEL SCHWOCHERT: I never felt like I was on solid ground, when I was
in private industry. I was given the tools that I needed to do my job I
didn't feel like I was on loose footing, the whole time I worked for the
USDA I felt like I was on gravel.

REG SHERREN: Even so, he was happy when an order was issued to test
every cow showing possible BSE symptoms. A year later he discovered an
animal doing exactly that.

MICHAEL SCHWOCHERT: so I notified them that we had this animal and that
they needed to come and pick up the sample. Well the veterinarian that
was in this area was substituting in another area and they didn't have
anybody available and they made the determination that this was not a
high-risk animal and no sample was taken

REG SHERREN: You found one and in a low risk plant so what does that say
to you?

MICHAEL SCHWOCHERT: Well where there's one skunk there's usually a den.

REG SHERREN: According to the USDA's own internal records Michaels
wasn't the only case.

The department failed to test another BSE suspect case in California in
July of 2002. And another in Georgia in the same month. And then in
Wisconsin and then in Washington State & and then &.

& you get picture.

GRAPHICS: (US map showing where cases weren't tested.)

REG SHERREN: In total during 2002 and 2003 the USDA failed to test
nearly 500 BSE suspect cows. Michael says it often left him wondering
whether the government really wants to find mad cow disease.

REG SHERREN: Those inspectors do a hard job, they're looking for the
needle in the haystack all day long and that's a hard hard job and then
if you find the needle and nobody looks at the needle then you really
begin to question what you're doing there.

REG SHERREN: And, he says, industry quickly gets the message.

REG SHERREN: So if its got a central nervous system problem, get rid of it.

MICHAEL SCHWOCHERT: Bury it, burn it

REG SHERREN: Shoot shovel and shut up.

MICHAEL SCHWOCHERT: Yep

GRAPHICS:

In August 2004 the USDA's own Inspector General issued a 78-page
scathing review of the departments mad cow surveillance system.

The USDA failed to test hundreds of high-risk cows because of
"confusion" and "lack of coordination".

"The problems & impact & the credibility of any assertion regarding the
prevalence of BSE in the United States."

REG SHERREN: So far you've met the man who killed the BSE cow - and
heard his claims of a USDA cover-up. You've met the head of a company
that wants to test for BSE - but can't because the USDA won't let them.
And you've met a man who used to work for the USDA and wishes he never
did. But what about the person who makes these decisions in the first place?

REG SHERREN: (On the phone) My name is Reg Sherren and I'm calling from
the Canadian Broadcasting corporation

REG SHERREN: When we come back, in search of the woman in charge of it all.

TEASE CLIP: That's the last Canadian question.


[[COMERCIAL BREAK]]

REG SHERREN: It's election time and California has more voters than any
other state. Hand-shaking is in high gear. So are negotiations for an
interview with Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman. Two days ago, after
weeks of requests I was told she's just too busy. But I also know she's
scheduled to do a little barbequing with a California senator. The
senator was happy to invite us. But Ann Venemen's people didn't seem
that happy about it.

REG SHERREN: How are you?

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: Hello. What are you doing way down
here in Lamore?

REG SHERREN: I've come to ask you a few questions.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: Okay.

POLITICAL AID: well she's here to talk about Mr. Ashburn today this is
not an official event

REG SHERREN: No well we're here at the invitation of the senator and
we're very interested in hearing what she has to say and speaking with
her for a few minutes

POLITICAL AID: That's fine but I just want you to understand that this
is not an official event

REG SHERREN: No and fair enough thank you


POLITICAL AID: Excuse me could you all give us just a sec?

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: Well I am delighted to be here with
Roy Ashburn

REG SHERREN: Secretary Venemen how do you justify keeping the border
closed to Canadian cattle?

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: Well we are going through a
regulatory process, as you know we proposed legislation or regulations I
should say to open up the Canadian and we expect that we will complete
that process in the near future

REG SHERREN: In the meantime what do you say to Canadian ranchers that
are going broke and there are thousands of them right now the losses are
two billion dollars and climbing?

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: Well just what I said we are working
very hard on the process and I understand what's going on in Canada.

REG SHERREN: are you satisfied that your own surveillance program is
functioning the way it should?

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: I am, I think our surveillance
program has gone very well we've tested over 70,000 animals. Now just to
put that in some perspective we tested about 20,000 a year before BSE
got out and so far since June 1st we've tested over 70,000. We haven't
found another case that doesn't mean we wont find another case.

REG SHERREN: So what do you say to the inspector general's report that
suggests that there are many holes in the system that finding this cow
was luck.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: That inspector generals report was
based upon the surveillance program before we implemented the June 1st
program the inspector general has signed off on the way we are now
running the program. The report looks backwards what was wrong with it
before.

CALIFORNIA SENATOR: That's the last Canadian question we're from the
heartland of California.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY ANN VENEMAN: Thank you all, thank you.

REG SHERREN: And that was that. No handshake, very few answers.

GRAPHICS: Remember Dave Louthan?

DAVE LOUTHAN: "It's meat. If it's not in the food supply, where else
would it be. It's meat."


GRAPHICS:

Beef processed the day the Moses Lake mad cow was killed did make it
into the food supply.

Three California restaurants served the recalled beef to customers.

Customers who ate the recalled beef in Washington State are suing the
grocery store chain that sold it to them.

REG SHERREN:. As for the border& well, the border remains closed.

http://www.cbc.ca/countrycanada/main.html

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: BSE in a GOAT and Detection of prion in peripheral nerve
(11th BSE case of Japan)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:27:27 -0500
From: "Country Canada Winnipeg"
To:

terry,

you and many others have expressed interest in knowing when the Country
Canada
production "Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up" airs on The National. Well -
tonight [Tuesday
November 9] is the night. The National airs starting at 10 pm on CBC.
Tell your freinds!
And thank you again for your support of our program.

christian cote
senior producer


>>> "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." 2004-11-06 6:03:51 pm
>>>

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