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Subject: FDA 50 STATE EMERGENCY BSE CONFERENCE CALL JANUARY 9, 2001
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Subject: [BSE] FDA/IMPORTANT NOTICE: 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL
IMPORTANT NOTICE: 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL - BSE
TUESDAY, JANUARY 9, 2001
1:00-2:00 PM EST CALL: 1-888-273-9887
A special "50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL" to discuss BSE (Bovine
Spongiform Encephalopathy) issues for Food and Drug Administration
(FDA) regulated animal feed products in the United States and
imported animal feeds. The conference call will
discuss the FDA proposed response to the current BSE issue and the
assistance needed from state feed and agriculture programs. THIS
ISSUE MAY IMPACT ALL STATES AND ALL ANIMAL FEED AND PRODUCTION
The 50 State call is scheduled for Tuesday, January 9, 2001 from
1:00-2:00 pm EST. Any state agency responsible for animal feed issues
wishing to participate should call 1-888-273-9887 and ask to be
connected to the "50 State BSE Call". The conference host operator
will explain how to participate, including asking questions during
the call. If possible, please coordinate within your state to utilize
only one phone line per state agency.
We request that you forward this message to your agency management
and feed coordinators or other agencies or departments who may be
responsible for any animal feed issues related to FDA regulated
The agenda will be as follows:
1. Center For Veterinary Medicine (FDA) - Discussion of the problem
related to BSE events in Europe and the impact on US feed ingredients
for animals and feed operations. Discussion of the proposed
actions/inspections/compliance of licensed and unlicensed feed mills,
commercial feed manufacturers, animal feed imports, renderer's,
protein blenders, on-farm mixers, and ruminant feeders.
2. Office of Regional Operations (FDA) - Discussion of
contracting/working with states to inspect the universe of feed
mills/industry for "Animal Proteins Prohibited from Use in Animal
Feed". Discussion of working with FDA field offices.
3. Questions and answers.
Richard H. Barnes, Director
Division of Federal-State Relations (HFC-150)
5600 Fishers Lane Room 1207
Rockville, Md. 20857
ph: (301) 827-6906 FAX: (301) 443-2143
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Subject: BSE--U.S. 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL Jan. 9, 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:49:00 -0800 From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy To: BSE-L@uni-karlsruhe.de ######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy ######### Greetings List Members, I was lucky enough to sit in on this BSE conference call today and even managed to ask a question. that is when the trouble started. I submitted a version of my notes to Sandra Blakeslee of the New York Times, whom seemed very upset, and rightly so. "They tell me it is a closed meeting and they will release whatever information they deem fit. Rather infuriating." and i would have been doing just fine, until i asked my question. i was surprised my time to ask a question so quick. (understand, these are taken from my notes for now. the spelling of names and such could be off.) [host Richard Barns] and now a question from Terry S. Singeltary of CJD Watch. [TSS] yes, thank you, U.S. cattle, what kind of guarantee can you give for serum or tissue donor herds? [no answer, you could hear in the back ground, mumbling and 'we can't. have him ask the question again.] [host Richard] could you repeat the question? [TSS] U.S. cattle, what kind of guarantee can you give for serum or tissue donor herds? [not sure whom ask this] what group are you with? [TSS] CJD Watch, my Mom died from hvCJD and we are tracking CJD world-wide. [not sure who is speaking] could you please disconnect Mr. Singeltary [TSS] you are not going to answer my question? [not sure whom speaking] NO from this point, i was still connected, got to listen and tape the whole conference. at one point someone came on, a woman, and ask again; [unknown woman] what group are you with? [TSS] CJD Watch and my Mom died from hvCJD we are trying to tract down CJD and other human TSE's world wide. i was invited to sit in on this from someone inside the USDA/APHIS and that is why i am here. do you intend on banning me from this conference now? at this point the conference was turned back up, and i got to finish listening. They never answered or even addressed my one question, or even addressed the issue. BUT, i will try and give you a run-down for now, of the conference. IF i were another Country, I would take heed to my notes, BUT PLEASE do not depend on them. ask for transcript from; RBARNS@ORA.FDA.GOV 301-827-6906 he would be glad to give you one ;-) Rockville Maryland, Richard Barns Host BSE issues in the U.S., How they were labelling ruminant feed? Revising issues. The conference opened up with the explaining of the U.K. BSE epidemic winding down with about 30 cases a week. although new cases in other countries were now appearing. Look at Germany whom said NO BSE and now have BSE. BSE increasing across Europe. Because of Temporary Ban on certain rendered product, heightened interest in U.S. A recent statement in Washington Post, said the New Administration (old GW) has a list of issues. BSE is one of the issues. BSE Risk is still low, minimal in U.S. with a greater interest in MBM not to enter U.S. HOWEVER, if BSE were to enter the U.S. it would be economically disastrous to the render, feed, cattle, industries, and for human health. (human health-they just threw that in cause i was listening. I will now jot down some figures in which they told you, 'no need to write them down'. just hope i have them correct. hmmm, maybe i hope i don't ???) 80% inspection of rendering *Problem-Complete coverage of rendering HAS NOT occurred. sizeable number of 1st time FAILED INITIAL INSPECTION, have not been reinspected (70% to 80%). Compliance critical, Compliance poor in U.K. and other European Firms. Gloria Dunason Major Assignment 1998 goal TOTAL compliance. This _did not_ occur. Mixed level of compliance, depending on firm. Rendering FDA license and NON FDA license system in place for home rendering & feed 76% in compliance 79% cross contamination 21% DID NOT have system 92% record keeping less than 60% total compliance 279 inspectors 185 handling prohibited materials Renderer at top of pyramid, significant part of compliance. 84% compliance failed to have caution statement render 72% compliance & cross contamination caution statement on feed, 'DO NOT FEED TO CATTLE' 56 FIRMS NEVER INSPECTED 1240 FDA license feed mills 846 inspected "close to 400 feed mills have not been inspected" 80% compliance for feed. 10% don't have system. NON-FDA licensed mills There is NO inventory on non licensed mills. approximately 6000 to 8000 Firms ??? 4,344 ever inspected. "FDA does not have a lot of experience with" 40% do NOT have caution statement 'DO NOT FEED'. 74% Commingling compliance "This industry needs a lot of work and only half gotten to" "700 Firms that were falitive, and need to be re-inspected, in addition to the 8,000 Firms." Quote to do BSE inspection in 19 states by end of January or 30 days, and other states 60 days. to change feed status??? Contract check and ask questions and pass info. At this time, we will take questions. [I was about the third or fourth to ask question. then all B.S.eee broke loose, and i lost my train of thought for a few minutes. picked back up here] someone asking about nutritional supplements and sourcing, did not get name. something about inspectors not knowing of BSE risk??? the conference person assuring that Steve Follum? and the TSE advisory Committee were handling that. Some other Dr. Vet, whom were asking questions that did not know what to do??? [Dennis Wilson] California Food Agr. Imports, are they looking at imports? [Conference person] they are looking at imports, FDA issued imports Bulletin. [Linda Singeltary ??? this was a another phone in question, not related i don't think] Why do we have non-licensed facilities? (conference person) other feed mills do not handle as potent drugs??? Dennis Blank, Ken Jackson licensed 400 non FDA 4400 inspected of a total of 6000 to 8000, (they really don't know how many non licensed Firms in U.S. they guess 6000 to 8000??? TSS) Linda Detwiler asking everyone (me) not to use emergency BSE number, unless last resort. (i thought of calling them today, and reporting the whole damn U.S. cattle herd ;-) 'not' Warren-Maryland Dept. Agr. Prudent to re-inspect after 3 years. concerned of Firms that have changed owners. THE END TSS ############ http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html ############ FROM New York TIMES Subject: Re: BSE 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL thread from BSE List and FDA Posting of cut version... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:02:47 -0700 From: "Sandy Blakeslee" To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." References: 1 Hi terry -- thanks for all your help. I know it made a difference with the FDA getting out that release. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: BSE 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL thread from BSE List and FDA Posting of cut version... > http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/8219.html > http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/8220.html > http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/8221.html > http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/8222.html > http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/8230.html > > hi sandy, >From the New York Times NYTimes.com, January 11, 2001 Many Makers of Feed Fail to Heed Rules on Mad Cow Disease By SANDRA BLAKESLEE Large numbers of companies involved in manufacturing animal feed are not complying with regulations meant to prevent the emergence and spread of mad cow disease in the United States, the Food and Drug Administration said yesterday. The widespread failure of companies to follow the regulations, adopted in August 1997, does not mean that the American food supply is unsafe, Dr. Stephen Sundlof, director of the Center for Veterinary Medicine at the F.D.A., said in an interview. But much more needs to be done to ensure that mad cow disease does not arise in this country, Dr. Sundlof said. The regulations state that feed manufacturers and companies that render slaughtered animals into useful products generally may not feed mammals to cud-chewing animals, or ruminants, which can carry mad cow disease. All products that contain rendered cattle or sheep must have a label that says, "Do not feed to ruminants," Dr. Sundlof said. Manufacturers must also have a system to prevent ruminant products from being commingled with other rendered material like that from chicken, fish or pork. Finally, all companies must keep records of where their products originated and where they were sold. Under the regulations, F.D.A. district offices and state veterinary offices were required to inspect all rendering plants and feed mills to make sure companies complied. But results issued yesterday demonstrate that more than three years later, different segments of the feed industry show varying levels of compliance. Among 180 large companies that render cattle and another ruminant, sheep, nearly a quarter were not properly labeling their products and did not have a system to prevent commingling, the F.D.A. said. And among 347 F.D.A.-licensed feed mills that handle ruminant materials - these tend to be large operators that mix drugs into their products - 20 percent were not using labels with the required caution statement, and 25 percent did not have a system to prevent commingling. Then there are some 6,000 to 8,000 feed mills so small they do not require F.D.A. licenses. They are nonetheless subject to the regulations, and of 1,593 small feed producers that handle ruminant material and have been inspected, 40 percent were not using approved labels and 25 percent had no system in place to prevent commingling. On the other hand, fewer than 10 percent of companies, big and small, were failing to comply with the record-keeping regulations. The American Feed Industry Association in Arlington, Va., did not return phone calls seeking comment. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/11/science/11COW.html Subject: USDA/APHIS response to BSE-L--U.S. 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL Jan. 9, 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:04:21 -0500 From: "Gomez, Thomas M." Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy To: BSE-L@uni-karlsruhe.de ######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy ######### USDA/APHIS would like to provide clarification on the following point from Mr. Singeltary's 9 Jan posting regarding the 50 state conference call. [Linda Detwiler asking everyone (me) not to use emergency BSE number, unless last resort. (i thought of calling them today, and reporting the whole damn U.S. cattle herd ;-) 'not'] Dr. Detwiler was responding to an announcement made during the call to use the FDA emergency number if anyone wanted to report a cow with signs suspect for BSE. Mr. Singeltary is correct that Dr. Detwiler asked participants to use the FDA emergency number as a last resort to report cattle suspect for BSE. What Mr. Singeltary failed to do was provide the List with Dr. Detwiler's entire statement. Surveillance for BSE in the United States is a cooperative effort between states, producers, private veterinarians, veterinary hospitals and the USDA. The system has been in place for over 10 years. Each state has a system in place wherein cases are reported to either the State Veterinarian, the federal Veterinarian in Charge or through the veterinary diagnostic laboratory system. The states also have provisions with emergency numbers. Dr. Detwiler asked participants to use the systems currently in place to avoid the possibility of a BSE-suspect report falling through the cracks. Use of the FDA emergency number has not been established as a means to report diseased cattle of any nature. ############ http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html ############ Subject: Re: USDA/APHIS response to BSE-L--U.S. 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL Jan.9, 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:44:49 -0800 From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy To: BSE-L@uni-karlsruhe.de References: 1 ######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy ######### Hello Mr. Thomas, > What Mr. Singeltary failed to do was provide > the List with Dr. Detwiler's entire statement. would you and the USDA/APHIS be so kind as to supply this list with a full text version of the conference call and or post on your web-site? if so when, and thank you. if not, why not? > The system has been in place for over 10 years. that seems to be a very long time for a system to be in place, and only test 10,700 cattle from some 1.5 BILLION head (including calf crop). Especially since French are testing some 20,000 weekly and the E.U. as a whole, are testing many many more than the U.S., with less cattle, same risk of BSE/TSEs. Why does the U.S. insist on not doing massive testing with the tests which the E.U. are using? Why is this, please explain? Please tell me why my question was not answered? > U.S. cattle, what kind of guarantee can you > give for serum or tissue donor herds? It was a very simple question, a very important question, one that pertained to the topic of BSE/feed, and asked in a very diplomatic way. why was it not answered? If all these years, we have been hearing that pharmaceutical grade bovines were raised for pharmaceuticals vaccines etc. But yet the USA cannot comply with feed regulations of the ruminant feed ban, PLUS cannot even comply with the proper labelling of the feed, cross contamination etc. Then how in the world can you Guarantee the feed fed to pharmaceutical grade bovine, were actually non ruminant feed? Before i was ask to be 'disconnected', i did hear someone in the background say 'we can't'-- have him ask the question again. could you please be so kind, as to answer these questions? thank you, Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Bacliff, Texas USA P.S. if you will also notice, i did not post that emergency phone number and do not intend on passing it on to anyone. I was joking when i said i should call and report the whole damn U.S. Herd. So please pass that on to Dr. Detwiler, so she can rest easily. BUT, they should be reported, some are infected with TSE. The U.S. is just acting as stupid as Germany and other Countries that insist they are free of BSE. TSS Subject: Report on the assessment of the Georgraphical BSE-risk of the USA July 2000 (not good) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:23:51 -0800 From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy To: BSE-L@uni-karlsruhe.de ######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy ######### Greetings List Members and ALL EU Countries, Because of this report, and the recent findings of the 50-state BSE Conference call, I respectfully seriously suggest that these Countries and the SSC re-evaluate the U.S.A. G.B.R. to a risk factor of #3. snip... Terry S. Singeltary Sr., P.O. Box 42, Bacliff, Texas USA 77518 http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/Jan03/012403/8004be07.html
<January 10, 2001
UPDATE ON RUMINANT FEED (BSE) ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) is a type of “transmissible spongiform encephalopathy” disease that infects cattle. After the first case in 1986 in the United Kingdom, BSE quickly became an epidemic in cattle herds there. No cases of BSE have been found in U.S. cattle, despite active monitoring.
Rendered feed ingredients contaminated with an infectious agent are believed to be the source of BSE infection in cattle. Some of the feed given to cattle includes remnants of the slaughtering process, such as the brain and spinal cord, which may harbor the agent that causes BSE. Although the material is cooked during the rendering process, the BSE agent can survive.
To prevent the establishment and amplification of BSE through feed in the United States, FDA implemented a final rule that prohibits the feeding of mammalian protein to ruminant animals in most cases. This rule, Title 21 Part 589.2000 of the Code of Federal Regulations, became effective on August 4, 1997.
FDA developed an enforcement plan with the goal of 100% compliance with this rule. For the first two years it was in effect, the enforcement plan included education as well as inspections with FDA taking compliance actions for egregious actions or repeated non-compliance. As part of the enforcement plan, an assignment was issued to all FDA District Offices in 1998 to conduct inspections of 100% of all renderers and feed mills and some ruminant feeders to determine compliance.
FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) has assembled data from the inspections conducted thus far, and presented the following data in a conference call FDA held with Federal and State feed control officials on January 9, 2001.
To date, there have been a total of 9,947 inspections. The majority of these inspections (around 80%) were conducted by State officials and the remainder by FDA. Various segments of the feed industry had different levels of compliance.
For Renderers, who are at the "top of the pyramid" since they are the first to handle rendered protein, and who send materials to feed mills and other ruminant feeders:
Total number of inspections -- 239. Firms handling prohibited material -- 180
Firms whose products were labeled with the required caution statement -- 84%
Had a system to prevent commingling -- 72%
Followed recordkeeping regulations -- 96-98%
For FDA Licensed Feed Mills -- 1,240 total -- Inspected -- 846. Of those feed mills inspected, 347 were handling prohibited material:
Firms whose products were labeled with the required caution statement -- 80%
Had a system to prevent commingling -- 91%
Followed recordkeeping regulations -- 98
For Non-FDA Licensed Feed Mills -- 4,344 inspected (FDA does not know the total number since they are not required to be licensed by the Agency, but it could be 6,000 - 8,000.) Of those feed mills inspected, 1,593 were handling prohibited material:
Firms whose products were labeled with the required caution statement -- 59%
Had a system to prevent commingling -- 74%
Followed recordkeeping regulations -- 91%
FDA is continuing its enforcement efforts to achieve the goals of 100% inspection of all renderers and feed mills and some ruminant feeders and 100% compliance with the ruminant feed regulations. FDA Field offices have an assignment to re-inspect 700 firms that were not in full compliance with the rule but have committed to implementing the regulation. In addition, FDA is seeking assistance from State feed control officials to identify non-FDA licensed feed mills and to conduct additional inspections in all categories. FDA anticipates higher levels of compliance after completion of follow-up inspections.
FDA, Center for Veterinary Medicine,
Office of Management and Communications, HFV-12
7519 Standish Place, Rockville, MD 20855
Telephone: (301) 827-3800 FAX: (301) 827-4065
Internet Web Site: http://www.fda.gov/cvm
Sorry did not get back to you. (Ran out of time!!)
Of interest...don't repeat. On Jan 9, was somewhere
and not able to tie into conference call. Was around
an official who should have been on conference
call..another person with me also remembered it and we
both inquired as to how the call went. Was told (to
both of us) that the call had been cancelled!! (Told
us several times that the call was cancelled and they
did not know why!!!) I will try to find out why this
person said that...maybe they got off the call or they
were told to tell everyone that the call was cancelled.
You need to POST your interaction with the conference
call on a web site....let me know when you do...
There must be a reason for
the lying....??? Surely people who are really
interested will found out what went on? There are
quite a few people who listened in and declined to
identify or acknowledge that they listened in...why
the big secrecy or this person may have been told to
do this. Need to know!!! Something dirty is going
on...some sort of treachery seems to be in the works...
Not a good situation for me right now...wish I could
tell you more as to what is going on...but too
dangerous right now...got to sort it out.
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:50:31 +0000 (GMT)
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Budget: let me know what you find out and the
breakdown. There may be some stuff stuffed into it
which is not legit... They may figure some salaries
and such...the real gist of the matter is the shocking
amount of $ that is actually used to "ferret" out the
disease and the $ that are used to P.R. the whole
affair and give appearance of being concerned and
involved...again it was said years ago and it should
be taken seriously....BSE will NEVER be found in the US!
As for the BSE conference call...I think you did a
great service to freedom of information and making
some people feign integrity...I find it scary to see
that most of the "experts" are employed by the federal
government or are supported on the "teat" of federal
funds. A scary picture!
The most frightening thing I have read all day is the
report of Gambetti's finding of a new strain of
sporadic cjd in young people.........Dear God, what in
the name of all that is holy is that!!!
If the US has different strains of
scrapie.....why????than the UK...then would the same
mechanisms that make different strains of scrapie here
make different strains of BSE...if the patterns are
different in sheep and mice for scrapie.....could not
the BSE be different in the cattle, in the mink, in
the humans.......I really think the slides or tissues
and everything from these young people with the new
strain of sporadic cjd should be put up to be analyzed
by many, many experts in cjd........bse.....scrapie
Scrape the damn slide and put it into
mice.....wait.....chop up the mouse brain and and
spinal cord........put into some more mice.....dammit
amplify the thing and start the damned
research.....This is NOT rocket science...we need to
use what we know and get off our butts and move....the
whining about how long everything takes.....well it
takes a whole lot longer if you whine for a year and
then start the research!!!
Not sure where I read this but it was a recent press
release or something like that:
I thought I would fall out of my chair when I read
about how there was no worry about infectivity from a
histopath slide or tissues because they are preserved
in formic acid, or formalin or formaldehyde.....for
God's sake........ Ask any pathologist in the UK what
the brain tissues in the formalin looks like after a
year.......it is a big fat sponge...the agent
continues to eat the brain ......you can't make slides
anymore because the agent has never stopped........and
the old slides that are stained with Hemolysin and
Eosin......they get holier and holier and degenerate
and continue...what you looked at 6 months ago is not
there........Gambetti better be photographing every
damned thing he is looking at.....
Okay, you need to know. You don't need to pass it on
as nothing will come of it and there is not a damned
thing anyone can do about it. Don't even hint at it
as it will be denied and laughed at..........
USDA is gonna do as little as possible until there is
actually a human case in the USA of the
nvcjd........if you want to move this thing along and
shake the earth....then we gotta get the victims
families to make sure whoever is doing the autopsy is
credible, trustworthy, and a saint with the courage of
Joan of Arc........I am not kidding!!!!
so, unless we get a human death from EXACTLY the same
form with EXACTLY the same histopath lesions as seen
in the UK nvcjd........forget any action........it is
ALL gonna be sporadic!!!
And, if there is a case.......there is gonna be every
effort to link it to international travel,
international food, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. They
will go so far as to find out if a sex partner had
ever traveled to the UK/europe, etc. etc. ....
It is gonna be a long, lonely, dangerous twisted
journey to the truth. They have all the cards, all
the money, and are willing to threaten and carry out
those threats....and this may be their biggest
Thanks as always for your help.
(Recently had a very startling revelation from a rather senior person in
government here..........knocked me out of my chair........you must keep
pushing. If I was a power person....I would be demanding that there be a
least a million bovine tested as soon as possible and agressively
seeking this disease. The big players are coming out of the woodwork as
there is money to be made!!!
In short: "FIRE AT WILL"!!! for the very dumb....who's "will"! "Will
be the burden to bare if there is any coverup!"
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