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From: TSS ()
Date: March 10, 2006 at 8:14 am PST

In Reply to: 91ST MEETING OF THE SEAC MEETING LONDON 24TH FEB 2006 posted by TSS on March 10, 2006 at 7:36 am:

However, with the KNOWN transmission studies to date >from TSEs, and the fact that all the world's cattle that came down with BSE were ingesting a nutritional supplement to super-ovulate cattle. (Not to forget about the potential for some BSE cases to come from vaccinations containing pituitary-derived SRMs.)






I was quite prepared to believe in unofficial pituitary hormones, also in the 1970's, whether as described by Dr. Little, or in other circumstances, for animal use.


The fact that there were jars of pituitaries (or extract) around on shelves is attested by the still potent 1943 pituitaries, described in Stockell Hartree et al. (J/RF/17/291) which had come from the lab. at Mill Hill. Having taken the trouble to collect them, they were not lightly thrown out...

more on the 1968 medicine act, they forgot to follow

Draft cover letter to product licence holders (considered by Human and Vet Medicines including deer)

(It was noted with concern that hormone extracts could be manufactured by a veterinary surgeon for administration to animals under his care without any Medicines Act Control.)


Docket Management Docket: 96N-0417 - Current Good Manufacturing Practice
in Manufacturing, Packing, or Holding Dietary Ingredients a
Comment Number: EC -2
Accepted - Volume 7

Subject: BSE--U.S. 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL Jan. 9, 2001
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:49:00 -0800
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

Greetings List Members,

I was lucky enough to sit in on this BSE conference
call today and even managed to ask a question.
that is when the trouble started.

I submitted a version of my notes to
Sandra Blakeslee of the New York Times,
whom seemed very upset, and rightly

"They tell me it is a closed meeting and
they will release whatever information
they deem fit. Rather infuriating."

and i would have been doing just fine,
until i asked my question. i was surprised
my time to ask a question so quick.

(understand, these are taken from my notes for now.
the spelling of names and such could be off.)

[host Richard Barns]
and now a question from Terry S. Singeltary of
CJD Watch.

yes, thank you,
U.S. cattle, what kind of guarantee can you
give for serum or tissue donor herds?

[no answer, you could hear in the back ground,
mumbling and 'we can't. have him ask the question

[host Richard]
could you repeat the question?

U.S. cattle, what kind of guarantee can you
give for serum or tissue donor herds?

[not sure whom ask this]
what group are you with?

CJD Watch, my Mom died from hvCJD and we are
tracking CJD world-wide.

[not sure who is speaking]
could you please disconnect Mr. Singeltary

you are not going to answer my question?

[not sure whom speaking]

from this point, i was still connected, got to listen
and tape the whole conference. at one point someone
came on, a woman, and ask again;

[unknown woman]
what group are you with?

CJD Watch and my Mom died from hvCJD
we are trying to tract down CJD and other
human TSE's world wide. i was invited to
sit in on this from someone inside the USDA/APHIS
and that is why i am here. do you intend on banning
me from this conference now?

at this point the conference was turned back up,
and i got to finish listening. They never answered
or even addressed my one question, or even addressed
the issue. BUT, i will try and give you a run-down
for now, of the conference.

IF i were another Country, I would take heed to my
notes, BUT PLEASE do not depend on them. ask for
transcript from;


he would be glad to give you one ;-)

Rockville Maryland,
Richard Barns Host

BSE issues in the U.S.,
How they were labelling ruminant feed?
Revising issues.

The conference opened up with the explaining of
the U.K. BSE epidemic winding down with about 30
cases a week.

although new cases in other countries were now

Look at Germany whom said NO BSE and now have BSE.

BSE increasing across Europe.

Because of Temporary Ban on certain rendered product,
heightened interest in U.S.

A recent statement in Washington Post, said the
New Administration (old GW) has a list of issues.
BSE is one of the issues.

BSE Risk is still low, minimal in U.S. with a greater
interest in MBM not to enter U.S.

HOWEVER, if BSE were to enter the U.S.
it would be economically disastrous
to the render, feed, cattle, industries,
and for human health.

(human health-they just threw that in cause i was listening. I will now
jot down some figures in
which they told you, 'no need to write them down'.
just hope i have them correct. hmmm, maybe i hope
i don't ???)

80% inspection of rendering

*Problem-Complete coverage of rendering HAS NOT

sizeable number of 1st time FAILED INITIAL INSPECTION,
have not been reinspected (70% to 80%).

Compliance critical, Compliance poor in U.K.
and other European Firms.

Gloria Dunason
Major Assignment 1998 goal TOTAL compliance.
This _did not_ occur. Mixed level of compliance,
depending on firm.

Rendering FDA license and NON FDA license

system in place for home rendering & feed
76% in compliance
79% cross contamination
21% DID NOT have system
92% record keeping
less than 60% total compliance

279 inspectors
185 handling prohibited materials

Renderer at top of pyramid, significant
part of compliance.
84% compliance

failed to have caution statement render
72% compliance & cross contamination
caution statement on feed, 'DO NOT FEED TO CATTLE'


1240 FDA license feed mills
846 inspected

"close to 400 feed mills have not been inspected"

80% compliance for feed.

10% don't have system.

NON-FDA licensed mills
There is NO inventory on non licensed mills.
approximately 6000 to 8000 Firms ???
4,344 ever inspected.
"FDA does not have a lot of experience with"

40% do NOT have caution statement 'DO NOT FEED'.

74% Commingling compliance

"This industry needs a lot of work and only half
gotten to"

"700 Firms that were falitive, and need to be
re-inspected, in addition to the 8,000 Firms."

Quote to do BSE inspection in 19 states by end
of January or 30 days, and other states 60 days.
to change feed status??? Contract check and ask
questions and pass info.

At this time, we will take questions.

[I was about the third or fourth to ask question.
then all B.S.eee broke loose, and i lost my train
of thought for a few minutes. picked back up here]

someone asking about nutritional supplements and
sourcing, did not get name. something about inspectors
not knowing of BSE risk??? the conference person assuring that Steve
Follum? and the TSE advisory Committee were
handling that.

Some other Dr. Vet, whom were asking questions
that did not know what to do???

[Dennis Wilson]
California Food Agr.
Imports, are they looking at imports?

[Conference person]
they are looking at imports,
FDA issued imports Bulletin.

[Linda Singeltary ??? this was a another phone in
question, not related i don't think]
Why do we have non-licensed facilities?

(conference person)
other feed mills do not handle as potent drugs???

Dennis Blank, Ken Jackson
licensed 400
non FDA 4400 inspected of a total of 6000 to 8000,

(they really don't know how many non licensed Firms
in U.S. they guess 6000 to 8000??? TSS)

Linda Detwiler
asking everyone (me) not to use emergency BSE number,
unless last resort.
(i thought of calling them today, and reporting the
whole damn U.S. cattle herd ;-) 'not'

Warren-Maryland Dept. Agr.
Prudent to re-inspect after 3 years.
concerned of Firms that have changed





Subject: Re: BSE 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL thread from BSE List and FDA
Posting of cut version...
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:02:47 -0700
From: "Sandy Blakeslee"
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: 1

Hi terry -- thanks for all your help. I know it made a difference with
the FDA getting out that release.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:06 PM
Subject: BSE 50 STATE CONFERENCE CALL thread from BSE List and FDA
Posting of cut version...

> hi sandy,

>From the New York Times, January 11, 2001

Many Makers of Feed Fail to Heed Rules on Mad Cow Disease

Large numbers of companies involved in manufacturing animal feed are not
complying with regulations meant to prevent the
emergence and spread of mad cow disease in the United States, the Food
and Drug Administration said yesterday.

The widespread failure of companies to follow the regulations, adopted
in August 1997, does not mean that the American food supply is unsafe,
Dr. Stephen Sundlof, director of the Center for Veterinary Medicine at
the F.D.A., said in an interview.

But much more needs to be done to ensure that mad cow disease does not
arise in this country, Dr. Sundlof said.

The regulations state that feed manufacturers and companies that render
slaughtered animals into useful products generally may not feed mammals
to cud-chewing animals, or ruminants, which can carry mad cow disease.

All products that contain rendered cattle or sheep must have a label
that says, "Do not feed to ruminants," Dr. Sundlof said. Manufacturers
must also have a system to prevent ruminant products from being
commingled with other rendered material like that from chicken, fish or
pork. Finally, all companies must keep records of where their products
originated and where they were sold.

Under the regulations, F.D.A. district offices and state veterinary
offices were required to inspect all rendering plants and feed mills to
make sure companies complied. But results issued yesterday demonstrate
that more than three years later, different segments of the feed
industry show varying levels of compliance.

Among 180 large companies that render cattle and another ruminant,
sheep, nearly a quarter were not properly labeling their products and
did not have a system to prevent commingling, the F.D.A. said. And among
347 F.D.A.-licensed feed mills that handle ruminant materials - these
tend to be large operators that mix drugs into their products - 20
percent were not using labels with the required caution statement, and
25 percent did not have a system to prevent commingling.

Then there are some 6,000 to 8,000 feed mills so small they do not
require F.D.A. licenses. They are nonetheless subject
to the regulations, and of 1,593 small feed producers that handle
ruminant material and have been inspected, 40 percent
were not using approved labels and 25 percent had no system in place to
prevent commingling.

On the other hand, fewer than 10 percent of companies, big and small,
were failing to comply with the record-keeping

The American Feed Industry Association in Arlington, Va., did not return
phone calls seeking comment.

Jan. 9, 2001
Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:04:21 -0500
"Gomez, Thomas M."
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

USDA/APHIS would like to provide clarification on the following point
Mr. Singeltary's 9 Jan posting regarding the 50 state conference call.

[Linda Detwiler asking everyone (me) not to use emergency BSE number,
last resort. (i thought of calling them today, and reporting the whole
U.S. cattle herd ;-) 'not']

Dr. Detwiler was responding to an announcement made during the call to
the FDA emergency number if anyone wanted to report a cow with signs
for BSE. Mr. Singeltary is correct that Dr. Detwiler asked participants
use the FDA emergency number as a last resort to report cattle suspect
BSE. What Mr. Singeltary failed to do was provide the List with Dr.
Detwiler's entire statement. Surveillance for BSE in the United States
is a
cooperative effort between states, producers, private veterinarians,
veterinary hospitals and the USDA. The system has been in place for
over 10
years. Each state has a system in place wherein cases are reported to
either the State Veterinarian, the federal Veterinarian in Charge or
the veterinary diagnostic laboratory system. The states also have
provisions with emergency numbers. Dr. Detwiler asked participants to
the systems currently in place to avoid the possibility of a BSE-suspect
report falling through the cracks. Use of the FDA emergency number has
been established as a means to report diseased cattle of any nature.


CALL Jan.9, 2001
Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:44:49 -0800
"Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

Hello Mr. Thomas,

> What Mr. Singeltary failed to do was provide
> the List with Dr. Detwiler's entire statement.

would you and the USDA/APHIS be so kind as to supply
this list with a full text version of the conference
call and or post on your web-site?
if so when, and thank you.
if not, why not?

> The system has been in place for over 10 years.

that seems to be a very long time for a system to be in
place, and only test 10,700 cattle from some 1.5 BILLION head (including
calf crop). Especially since French
are testing some 20,000 weekly and the E.U. as a whole,
are testing many many more than the U.S., with less
cattle, same risk of BSE/TSEs.

Why does the U.S. insist on not doing massive testing
with the tests which the E.U. are using?
Why is this, please explain?

Please tell me why my question was not answered?

> U.S. cattle, what kind of guarantee can you
> give for serum or tissue donor herds?

It was a very simple question, a very important
question, one that pertained to the topic of
BSE/feed, and asked in a very diplomatic way.
why was it not answered?

If all these years, we have been hearing that
pharmaceutical grade bovines were raised for
pharmaceuticals vaccines etc. But yet the
USA cannot comply with feed regulations of
the ruminant feed ban, PLUS cannot even
comply with the proper labelling of the feed,
cross contamination etc.
Then how in the world can you Guarantee the feed
fed to pharmaceutical grade bovine, were actually
non ruminant feed?

Before i was ask to be 'disconnected',
i did hear someone in the background
say 'we can't'-- have him ask the question again.

could you please be so kind, as to answer these

thank you,
Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Bacliff, Texas USA

P.S. if you will also notice, i did not post that
emergency phone number and do not intend on passing
it on to anyone. I was joking when i said i should
call and report the whole damn U.S. Herd. So please
pass that on to Dr. Detwiler, so she can rest easily.

BUT, they should be reported, some are infected with TSE.
The U.S. is just acting as stupid as Germany and other
Countries that insist they are free of BSE.


Subject: Report on the assessment of the Georgraphical BSE-risk of the
USA July 2000 (not good)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:23:51 -0800
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy

Greetings List Members and ALL EU Countries,

Because of this report, and the recent findings
of the 50-state BSE Conference call, I respectfully
seriously suggest that these Countries and the SSC
re-evaluate the U.S.A. G.B.R. to a risk factor of #3.


Terry S. Singeltary Sr.,
P.O. Box 42, Bacliff, Texas USA 77518

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