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From: TSS ()
Subject: Mad cow disease may come from people, not animals ?
Date: September 1, 2005 at 11:59 am PST


Mad cow disease may come from people, not animals


19:25 2005-09-01
New theory proposes that mad cow disease may have come from feeding British cattle with meal contaminated with human remains infected with a permutation of the disease.

The hypothesis, outlined this week in The Lancet medical journal, suggests that the infected cattle feed came from the Indian subcontinent, where bodies sometimes are ceremonially thrown into the Ganges river.

Indian experts not connected with the research exposed weaknesses in the theory, but agreed it should be investigated, the AP reports.

The cause of the original case or cases of mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is unknown.

It belongs to a class of illnesses called transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, or TSEs. They exist in several species. Scrapie is a TSE that affects sheep and goats, while chronic wasting disease is one that afflicts elk and deer. A handful of TSEs are found in humans, including Kuru, Alper's disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, or CJD.

All the TSEs are fatal, untreatable and undiagnosable until after death. They are called spongiform encephalopathies because the diseases involve spongy degeneration of the brain.

But where the cows got their disease in the first place remains a mystery. The most popular theory is that cattle, which are vegetarian, were fed meal containing sheep remains, passing scrapie from sheep to cows, where it eventually evolved to become a cow-specific disease. Another theory is that cows just developed the disease spontaneously, without catching it from another species.

However, a pair of British scientists now propose the origin may be the bones of people infected with classical CJD, which they theorize ended up in cattle feed imported from South Asia.


http://newsfromrussia.com/science/2005/09/01/62145.html

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NEWSNIGHT - THURSDAY 1 SEPTEMBER 22:30 BST - BBC TWO
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BSE

Also on the programme, our Science Editor Susan Watts has gained early
access to an astonishing report being published tonight in the Lancet.
It advances an extraordinary and horrific theory about the origins of
the mad cow disease, BSE.

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Greetings,

i remember posting something to bse-l years ago about this ;

Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:33:05 -0500
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy <[log in to unmask]>
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: diseased bones, human or animal in the food chain and BSE/TSEs ?


######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy <[log in to unmask]> #########

Greetings List Members,

i received this in the mail yesterday, and was wondering if any
body else has ever heard of this, and if any info is out there.
maybe John or someone else remember this;

The following questions were asked at the highest government level

> > many years ago and received the usual politically evasive anwers.
> >
> > Questions asked on the 20th October '00.
> >
> > 1. Could the accidential inclusion of deseased bones, human or animal
> > in the food chain cause B.S.E.
> >
> > 2. Could such a pollution of animal feed cause the desease to cross
> > the species barier and mutate in a form hazardous to the human race.
> >
> > 3. Has the import of this offensive material been stopped,or is it
> > still being alllowed into this country, (England) or Europe.
> >
> > 4. Has any attempt been made to ascertain the scource and the
> > consignee of the material.
> >
> > These questions were asked because in the early 1980's many containers
> > full of ancient bones, probably dredged from a river or rivers were
> > imported into England from India.
> >
> > (French Dockers refused to handle them and eventually they were
> > unloaded in Manchester England. Comments were made by some rail staff
> > that some of the bones looked as if they were human remains.
> >
> > Offers were made by experienced transport detectives to trace the
> > senders, and the consignees of the offensive material but the offers
> > were ignored.
> >
> > It is established that B.S.E, was caused by bone meal in animal feed
> > and perhaps v C.J.D. was the next link in the vicious chain?

snip...

Thanks for the reply, we have a hot topic here, you will not find anything
regarding my information on the net or anywhere else, I have tried to get
dialogue going on the matter, but our M.A.A.F. (government department in
charge ) will not reply or get involved, a top government minister did send
my letter to the House of Lords but that did not help either.
They just will not answer my four questions.That is why I have now tried the
U.S. by letting you know. Spreading the word.)
It is a fact established many years ago in America that canibalism, feeding
like to like will cause serious problems, that is how salminella infected
poultry, Blacks Veterinary Dictionary gave severe warning about it over
forty years ago, and they were also ignored.
If there were any human remains at all, even a tiny amount mixed with the
obviously animal remains, dredged from a river in India, and it is good
probability that there were, and if they were made into bone meal and fed to
cattle, the chances of the disease crossing the species barrier as a result
must be considered.Also to be considered is the chance that some obscure
animal disease was transferred with the animal remaains.
Bone meal was very valuable in the 1980's because that was a cheap way of
feeding cattle. The only use known to me beside animal feed is for adding to
clay for making bone china. Only small amounts are neded for that purpose,
but I saw thirty full sized containers at a time coming into Manchester, and
our first information regarding B.S.E was in nearby Cheshire, also in the
mid 1980's.
The expense of dredging rivers for bones, and shipping them thousands of
miles would never be worth while unless there was a ready market at top
prices for them. The bones were full of maggots, stinking to high heaven and
they were bleached white, hence the theory of a river.
The suspect material was banned from entering France, and it never should
have been allowed into England either.
When the first container was opened I did send for the Manchester Council
Fumigation Service and they did do the job immediately, pity that they did
send it back to where it came from.

TSS

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i think there would be more of a risk factor from scrapie since it does transmit freely to primates and cattle by there non-forced oral consumption, and the dose seems to be getting smaller and smaller.

...TSS



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