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From: Tom ZeCat (
Subject:         Re: Only if the Democrat wins will the election be ligit to nuts like you.
Date: February 22, 2008 at 10:54 am PST

In Reply to: Only if the Democrat wins will the election be ligit to nuts like you. posted by soooright on February 22, 2008 at 6:42 am:

Uh, no, only the last two elections were stolen. Other Republicans like Reagan, Bush Sr., Nixon, and Eisenhower were legitimately elected. You have to back to Rutherford B. Hayes (Ruther-fraud B. Hayes) to get to the last fraudulent election.

You've shown the same talent for putting on blinders that you do with the global warming issue. Bart has presented overwhelming evidence that the '00 and '04 elections were stolen. We know that just as certain as we know that DNA is a double-helix molecule (though you probably dispute that two -- it's really the magic of God, right?) You don't believe the election was stolen because it's not what you want to believe. You took the same approach you take to Christian rock bands. You assume the result before looking at any evidence. Anyone with a shred of open-mindedness would conclude those elections were stolen.

You've also ignored history. In 1960 Richard Nixon did exactly what Al Gore did in 2000, except that he publicly called for no recounts supposedly for the good of the nation. Privately, he demanded recounts and got them. However, none of the recounts gained him any ground. Since you don't bother to read history, here's a little for you:

According to Nixon partisans, the Republican party urged Nixon to pursue recounts and challenge the validity of some votes for Kennedy, especially in the pivotal states of Illinois, Missouri and New Jersey, where large majorities in Catholic precincts handed Kennedy the election. Nixon publicly refused to call for a recount, saying it would cause a constitutional crisis; he also convinced Mazo and the Herald Tribune to not print any stories suggesting that the election had been stolen by the Democrats. Privately, however, Nixon encouraged Republican National Chairman Thruston Morton to push for a recount, which Morton did in 11 states, keeping challenges in the courts into the summer of 1961; the only result was the loss of the State of Hawaii to Kennedy on a recount petitioned by the Kennedy campaign. (Underlining added.) From: Election of 1960

The only difference between Nixon and Gore was Nixon was much more savvy about how not to appear to be a sore loser. You'd better believe he would have been screaming if his recounts had yielded the result he wanted. He kept quiet because he knew his recounts proved he didn't win.

Of course, as usual, you've ignored my main point. My main point was that I don't feel good about Obama. If he ends the war in Iraq, but just starts another one in Pakistan, we won't be much better off than we are now.

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