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From: Tom ZeCat (
Subject:         It's not the government's job to stop sin
Date: December 21, 2007 at 1:46 pm PST

In Reply to: Speeding is a sin. Running traffic lights is a sin. posted by soooright on December 21, 2007 at 1:11 pm:

Some people (probably you) consider any sex other than heterosexual missionary position sex to be a sin. It's not the government's job to try to stop everything that someone might consider to be sinful.

It is the government's job to enforce the law. Speeding and running red lights are against the law, and the government has a duty to stop that. However, the government doesn't have the right to use absolutely any means available to do so. For example, the government has no right to conduct random searches just because they're trying to stop people from breaking the law. Thank goodness that's in the Contitution, or SWAT teams could randomly break down your door at night and look for drugs or child porn or anything else that's illegal without having had any reasonable suspicion.

Photo radar violates numerous rights of a motorist. The motorist isn't adequately notified. This is HUGE! They simply send a ticket in the mail and have no verification that the person actually got it. Our mail system is far from fool proof. How would you like it if a ticket were mailed to you, got lost in the mail and so you never got the thing, and then a warrant is issued for your arrest. So along you drive one day and get pulled over for a missing tail light and then end up arrested. That's fascism at its finest.

The driver of the vehicle is not positively identified. If your car triggers one of those cameras, you get the ticket regardless of whether you were driving. You're automatically accused of a crime and are presumed guilty until you prove yourself innocent. That's both unethical and uncontitutional. The government should enforce the speed limits and the red lights by using real police officers with the ability to use judgement, not be setting up some auto-camera.

This "just don't speed" or "don't run a red light" and you'll be fine is a crock. If anyone else in your family uses your car, you could end up with a ticket. Or the photo radar equipment could be set incorrectly and you get a ticket even if you weren't speeding, and you're presumed guilty until proven innocent and have no way to disprove the charge.

Photo radar also creates of public record of where and when and with whom you were driving. In Colorado, this information is mailed to the car owner. Under this scenario, a woman whose husband beats her could get information in the mail that shows him she was driving with another man. This is a huge violation of privacy.

This is Big Brother fascism, and every American ought to be outraged by it. All good patriots should stand up to the government and refuse to allow them to profit from this unethical behavior. Whether you're innocent or guilty of a traffic offense, you should challenge a photo radar ticket. I've beaten two of them.

Thank goodness Nebraska is less fascist than Colorado in that it has no photo radar.

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