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Sarah Palin takes aim at vegetarians in Going Rogue

EXAMINER.COM | Daelyn Fortney | 11/15/09

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Sarah Palin's highly anticipated memoir, Going Rogue: An American Life, will hit the bookshelves November 17. In the book, Palin traces her experiences from small town Alaskan girl to being on the national stage as the GOP vice presidential nominee.

Besides addressing her views on the McCain campaign and the media, Palin, a passionate Alaskan hunter, takes aim at vegetarians. Palin states, "If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore: If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?"

The accommodating host went on to explain, "I love meat. I eat pork chops, thick bacon burgers, and the seared fatty edges of a medium-well-done steak. But I especially love moose and caribou. I always remind people from outside our state that there's plenty of room for all Alaska's animals -- right next to the mashed potatoes."

Unfortunately Palin's viewpoints on vegetarianism is not only narrow minded but is also widely shared. The cliché portrait of a vegetarian meal predominately includes a huge bowl of salad flanked only by a glass of water and carrot wedges. The plethora of food options available to those who have forgone meat is endless but mostly ignored by the masses.

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OK. Using her logic, she is also made out of meat. So I guess that makes her fair game for someone's dinner plate, too.

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LOL! Great point! :-)

The launch of her book was announced this morning on CBC radio, the Canadian national station. The announcer's words were diplomatic and politically correct, but his TONE gave a very different message. Apparently she is, to some degree, a target of ridicule even among meat-eaters.

Her over-the-top, flagrant disrespect for life is astonishing in this day and age. I vaguely remember a time when her attitudes would have been supported by society but the environmental, health and spiritual values of vegetarian diet are now widely known.

Ms. Palin seems to be stuck in the past, with her head in the sand. She has failed to recognize the increasing political risk of thumbing her nose at the vegetarian and the "veggie-friendly" population who are such a fast-growing segment of society.

In due course of their development, her own children may bring this home to her when at least one of them goes veg.

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So she's still stupid, huh? What a surprise! The animals will have their revenge upon her. Would love to see her arteries just about now.....

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Who cares if Palin wants to speak her mind about her beliefs on meat? If you live the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, you know she is just ill-informed and a product of her society. I am confident enough in my choices as a 22 year vegan that I don't need to get inflamed or all righteous every time someone makes a comment about my choices or states something opposite of my beliefs.
Discussion leads to understanding and although she may well be advocating canabilism and pointless animal murder as a God given right, she is not upsetting me.
I would be careful treading the razors edge of the whole ethical argument you tried to corner Jeff into. If you can honestly say that none of the money you spend supports unintended ethical consequences, then you should start a web page and write a book to share your secret, special understanding with the rest of us unenlightened ones.

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Who CARES Celic Vegan??? I CARE and YOU Absolutly SHOULD care too!And every Vegan and Vegetarian in the WORLD should CARE=DUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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The purpose of this particular discussion forum was intended to be about Sarah Palin's new book and how what SHE said is "ticking off" vegetarians and vegans, not what I said in response.
I responded to her comments by taking the old playground rules higher ground and having a thicker skin than to allow the ignorant or hurtful comments of someone else to upset me. Others have also commented on the frequency of similar statements our own families and friends have made about veganism and I am pretty sure that I am not alone in choosing to not get upset by those comments. I live my beliefs every day and feel confident in the choice I have made to be vegan. Some vegans may choose to try and convince all non vegans that they are on the wrong path, but I believe in self determination and I can only be responsible for changing myself.
moonbeam R. jumps in to the discussion over a month later and attacks me for not being upset and for not believing it is my job to preach the vegan morality to the world and reports me for abuse? What is abusive about choosing a path of peace and acceptance?
Being vegan is about harmony and peace between humans and our Mother Earth.
The last thing we need is for vegans to attack other vegans.
moonbeam R. You are obviously passionate and commited to your beliefs. This site is dedicated to open discussion and education through access to amazing information. You dedicated a great deal of emotion and expressed a great deal of anger in a public forum. Many non-vegetarians and non-vegans will eventually discover sites like this and the last thing we vegans should expose them to is negativity and condemnation of one vegan to another.

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I really like Sarah Palin's frankness. If your any kind of vegetarian you know that at least 90% of your family members feel and say similar things that she said one time or another. She's bright, brave, and strong I like that. I also still love my family and friends even thought they don't understand what's good for them. Go Vegan.

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It's so obvious that you fancy her. A little objectivity, please.

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"If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?"

Oh my gosh. And some people think this women is presidential material??

First, people, dogs, and cats are also made out of "meat". Should we eat them?

Second, if you are bible based Christian (I'm not), take a hint from the book of Daniel 1:11-16

"Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over him: "Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see." So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days. At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. So the guard took away their meat and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead."

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So sad that Sarah Palin is so very ignorant of life in general. I am a Republican but have got to tell you that this woman has always worried me with her high and mighty ascinine theory on her many beliefs. She does NOT base her "feelings" on fact.

First of all God did NOT intend folks to eat meat. If she is the devout Christian as she says she is, then why in the world isn't she going to the Good Book for her references. It is crystal clear that God gave Adam and Eve all the fruit of the tree and herb bearing seed and said, "This shall be your MEAT". The animals He placed in the Garden were to be cared for and loved by them, and Adam was to name them, NOT to eat them. Not until Adam and Eve ate of the one forbidden tree did the curse come upon them and all the generations to follow. That is when Hell broke loose and meat was eaten. So the Lord seeing that since He had given us all freedom of choice and we had defied Him, He then set down the dietary laws as laid out in Leviticus that as long as we were going against His original plan, He would try and keep us as healthy as possible even in our state of rebellion.....thus the kosher laws. We were now allowed to eat beef and chicken and fish that swam; nothing with cloven feet; no pigs or hogs, nothing that scavenged for dead carcasses, such as hawks, nor shell fish which lived in the bottom of the ocean and ate the feces of other fish, no snakes, no lizards, etc. etc. The Lord did NOT want us to eat any flesh when He created the world; but then tried to protect us as much as possible against disease once sin was committed. IT IS ALL THERE IN THE BIBLE.... and now we see all the harm and disease people have brought into this world with their, greed and gluttony and all of the Seven Deadly Sins. It is easy to say one is a Christian, and perhaps she is and therefore Will still go to Heaven when she dies, but eating what she does, she will get there a lot sooner! She surely has a lot of growing up to do.

Aside from all of this, this planet would have more than enough food to go around if everyone was a vegetarian or vegan. The grains and plants given to the animals that people eat would go a lot farther for the starving people.

Frankness? Idiots can be frank you know....her mouth is constantly going and it just stuns me to hear some of the ignorance coming from such a person of whom so many respect.

Joy Ray
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According to the Bible, God intended the entire human race to follow a vegetarian diet (Genesis 1:29). Paradise is vegetarian. Rashi (Rabbi Solomon von Isaac, 1030-1105), the famous Jewish Bible commentator, taught that "God did not permit Adam and his wife to kill a creature and to eat its flesh. Only every green herb shall they all eat together." Ibn Ezra and other Jewish biblical commentators agree.

According to the Talmud, "Adam and many generations that followed him were strict flesh-abstainers; flesh-foods were rejected as repulsive for human consumption." Although man was made in God's image and given dominion over all creation (Genesis 1:26-28), these verses do not justify humans killing animals and devouring them, because God immediately proclaims He created the plants for human consumption. (Genesis 1:29)

In a letter to Pope John Paul II, challenging him on the issue of animal experimentation, Dr. Michael Fox of the Humane Society argued that the word "dominion" is derived from the original Hebrew word "rahe" which refers to compassionate stewardship, instead of power and control. Parents have dominion over their children; they do not have a license to kill, torment or abuse them. The Talmud (Shabbat 119; Sanhedrin 7) interprets "dominion" to mean animals may be used for labor.

Man was made in God's image (Genesis 1:26) and told to be vegetarian (Genesis 1:29). "And God saw all that He had made and saw that it was very good." (Genesis 1:31) Complete and perfect harmony. Everything in the beginning was the way God wanted it. Vegetarianism was part of God's initial plan for the world.

"It appears that the first intention of the Maker was to have men live on a strictly vegetarian diet," writes Rabbi Simon Glazer, in his 1971 Guide to Judaism. "The very earliest periods of Jewish history are marked with humanitarian conduct towards the lower animal kingdom...It is clearly established that the ancient Hebrews knew, and perhaps were the first among men to know, that animals feel and suffer pain."

After the Flood, God revised His commandment against flesh-eating. Human beings, since eating of the forbidden fruit, seemed incapable of obedience on this issue. One Jewish writer comments, "Only after man had proven unfit for the high moral standard given at the beginning, was meat made a part of the humans' diet."

A Jewish legend says Moses was found to be righteous by God through his shepherding. While Moses was tending his sheep of Jethro in the Midian wilderness, a young kid ran away from the flock. Moses ran after it until he found the kid drinking by a pool of water. Moses approached the kid and said, "I did not know that you ran away because you were thirsty; now, you must be tired." So Moses placed the animal on his shoulders and carried him back to the flock. God said, "Because thou has shown mercy in leading the flock, thou will surely tend My flock, Israel."

In his essay, "The Dietary Prohibitions of the Hebrews," Jean Soler finds in the Bible at least two times when an attempt was made to try the Israelites out on a vegetarian diet. During the period of exodus from Egypt, the Hebrews lived entirely on manna. They had large flocks which they brought with them, but never touched.

The Israelites were told that manna "is the bread which the Lord has given you to eat." (Exodus 16:5) For forty years in the desert, the Israelites lived on manna (Nehemiah 9:15,21). The apocryphal Wisdom of Solomon (16:20) calls manna the food of the angels. Manna is described as a vegetable food, like "coriander seed" (Numbers 11:7), tasting like wafers and honey (Exodus 16:31).

On two separate occasions, however, the men rebelled against Moses because they wanted meat. The meat-hungry Hebrews lamented, "Would that we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots." God ended this first "experiment in vegetarianism" through the miracle of the quails.

A second "experiment in vegetarianism" is suggested in the Book of Numbers, when the Hebrews lament once again, "O that we had meat to eat." (Numbers 11:4) God repeated the miracle of the quails, but this time with a vengeance: "And while the flesh was between their teeth, before it was even chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and He struck them down with a great plague." (Numbers 11:33)

The site where the deaths took place was named "The Graves of Lust." (Numbers 11:34; Deuteronomy 12:20) The quail meat was called "basar ta’avah," or "meat of lust." The Talmud (Chulin 84a) comments that: "The Torah teaches a lesson in moral conduct, that man shall not eat meat unless he has a special craving for it, and shall eat it only occasionally and sparingly." Here, according to Soler, as in the story of the Flood, "meat is given a negative connotation. It is a concession God makes to man’s imperfection."

In their book, The Nine Questions People Ask About Judaism, Dennis Prager and Rabbi Telushkin explain: "Keeping kosher is Judaism's compromise with its ideal vegetarianism. Ideally, according to Judaism, man would confine his eating to fruits and vegetables and not kill animals for food."

In his excellent A Guide to the Misled, Rabbi Shmuel Golding explains the orthodox Jewish position concerning animal sacrifices: "When G-d gave our ancestors permission to make sacrifices to Him, it was a concession, just as when He allowed us to have a king (I Samuel 8), but He gave us a whole set of rules and regulations concerning sacrifice that, when followed, would be superior to and distinct from the sacrificial system of the heathens."

Some biblical passages denounce animal sacrifice (Isaiah 1:11,15; Amos 5:21-25). Other passages state that animal sacrifices, not necessarily incurring God's wrath, are unnecessary (I Kings 15:22; Jeremiah 7:21-22; Hosea 6:6; Hosea 8:13; Micah 6:6-8; Psalm 50:1-14; Psalm 40:6; Proverbs 21:3; Ecclesiastes 5:1).

Sometimes Christians cite Isaiah 1:11, where God says, "I am full of the burnt offerings..." They say the word "full" implies God accepted the sacrifices. However, in Isaiah 43:23-24, God says: "You have not honored Me with your sacrifices...rather you have burdened Me with your sins, you have wearied Me with your iniquities." This suggests, as Moses Maimonides taught and Rabbi Shmuel Golding confirms above, that "the sacrifices were a concession to barbarism."

Jesus taught his disciples to pray for the coming of God's kingdom (Matthew 6:9-10), the kingdom of peace, in which the entire world is restored to a vegetarian paradise (Genesis 1:29; Isaiah 11:6-9). Recalling Psalm 37:11, he blessed the meek, saying they would inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5) The kingdom of God belongs to the gentle and kind (Matthew 5:7-9) Christians are to "Be merciful, just as your Father is also merciful." (Luke 6:36) Those who take up the sword must perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

Jesus repeatedly spoke of God's tender care for the nonhuman creation (Matthew 6:26-30, 10:29-31; Luke 12:6-7, 24-28). Jesus taught that God desires "mercy and not sacrifice." (Matthew 9:10-13, 12:6-7; Mark 2:15-17; Luke 5:29-32) The epistle to the Hebrews 10:5-10 suggests that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law and the prophets (which Paul, and not Jesus, regarded as "so much garbage"), but only the institution of animal sacrifice, as does Jesus' cleansing the Temple of those who were buying and selling animals for sacrifice and his overturning the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple. (Matthew 21:12-14; Mark 11:15-17; Luke 19:45-46; John 2:14-17)

Jesus not only repeatedly upheld Mosaic Law (Matthew 5:17-19; Mark 10:17-22; Luke 16:17), he justified his healing on the Sabbath by referring to commandments calling for the humane treatment of animals.

When teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath, Jesus healed a woman who had been ill for eighteen years. He justified his healing work on the Sabbath by referring to biblical passages calling for the humane treatment of animals as well as their rest on the Sabbath. "So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?" Jesus asked. (Luke 13:10-16)

On another occasion, Jesus again referred to Torah teaching on "tsa'ar ba'alei chayim" or compassion for animals to justify healing on the Sabbath. "Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 14:1-5)

Jesus compared saving sinners who had gone astray from God's kingdom to rescuing lost sheep. He recalled a Jewish legend about Moses' compassion as a shepherd for his flock.

"For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. What do you think? Who among you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it?

"And when he has found it," Jesus continued, "he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!'

"I say to you, likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance...there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." (Matthew 18:11-13; Luke 15:3-7,10)

Jesus insisted upon the moral standards given by God in the beginning (Matthew 5:31-32, 19:3-9; Mark 10:2-12; Luke 16:18), and this did not go unnoticed by early church fathers such as St. Jerome.

From history, too, we learn that the earliest Christians were vegetarians as well as pacifists. For example, Clemens Prudentius, the first Christian hymn writer, in one of his hymns exhorts his fellow Christians not to pollute their hands and hearts by the slaughter of innocent cows and sheep, and points to the variety of nourishing and pleasant foods obtainable without blood-shedding.

Some of the most distinguished figures in the history of Christianity have been vegetarian. A partial list includes: St. James, St. Matthew, Clemens Prudentius, Origen, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, St. Basil, St. Jerome, St. John Chrysostom, St. Benedict, Aegidius, Boniface, St. Richard of Wyche, St. Columba, St. Filipo Neri, John Wray, Thomas Tryon, John Wesley, Joshua Evans, William Metcalfe, General William Booth, Ellen White, Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, and Reverend V.A. Holmes-Gore.

Reverend Marc Wessels of the International Network for Religion and Animals (INRA) writes:

"The most important teaching which Jesus shared was the need for people to love God with their whole self and to love their neighbor as they loved themselves. Jesus expanded the concept of neighbor to include those who were normally excluded, and it is therefore not too farfetched for us to consider the animals as our neighbors.

"To think about animals as our brothers and sisters is not a new or radical idea. By extending the idea of neighbor, the love of neighbor includes love of, compassion for, and advocacy of animals. There are many historical examples of Christians who thought along those lines, besides the familiar illustration of St. Francis. An abbreviated listing of some of those individuals worthy of study and emulation includes Saint Blaise, Saint Comgall, Saint Cuthbert, Saint Gerasimus, Saint Giles, and Saint Jerome, to name but a few."

According to contemporary Benedictine monk, Brother David Steindl-Rast:

"...the survival of our planet depends on our sense of belonging---to all other humans, to dolphins caught in dragnets, to pigs and chickens and calves raised in animal concentration camps, to redwoods and rainforests, to kelp beds in our oceans, and to the ozone layer."

In a sermon preached in York Minster, September 28, 1986, John Austin Baker, the Bishop of Salisbury, England, attacked the overcrowded confinement methods of raising and killing animals for food ("factory farming"), choosing as his example, the treatment of chickens:

"Is there any credit balance for the battery hen, denied almost all natural functioning, all normal environment, lapsing steadily into deformity and disease, for the whole of her existence?" he asked. "It is in the battery shed and the broiler house, not in the wild, that we find the true parallel to Auschwitz. Auschwitz is a purely human invention."

Rick Dunkerly of Christ Lutheran Church says:

"The Bible-believing Christian, should, of all people, be on the frontline in the struggle for animal welfare and rights. We who are Christians should be treating the animal creation now as it will be treated then, at Christ's second coming. It will not now be perfect, but it must be substantial, otherwise we have missed our calling, and we grieve the One we call 'Lord,' who was born in a stable surrounded by animals simply because He chose it that way."

Rose Evans, editor and publisher of Harmony: Voices for a Just Future, a "consistent-ethic" periodical on the religious Left, says there are more Christian vegetarians than Jewish vegetarians. Yet some people still react to the idea of Christian vegetarianism as though it were an oxymoron.

"Every year," says Reverend Andrew Linzey, author of Christianity and the Rights of Animals, "I receive hundreds of anguished letters from Christians who are so distressed by the insensitivity to animals shown by mainstream churches that they have left them or are on the verge of doing so...The time is long overdue to take the issue of animal rights to the churches...

"I derive hope from the Gospel preaching that the same God who draws us to such affinity and intimacy with suffering creatures declared that reality on a Cross in Calvary. Unless all Christian preaching has been utterly mistaken, the God who becomes incarnate and crucified is the one who has taken the side of the oppressed and the suffering of the world--however the churches may actually behave."

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I choose to eat a certain way due to personal preference and health. God gave man permission to eat meat and although I have chosen to strictly limit my meat intake I do not begrudge others who choose to eat meat, dairy or whatever. I would hope they would extend me the save courtesy about my eating preferences. Mrs. Palin was being sarcastic or funny and we all need to lighten up a little. :)

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Whomever chooses to eat meat "due to personal preferences" does so either out of satisfying the taste buds or gluttony or ignorance; because good "health" does NOT enter into this. It is proven over and over again that all of this carcinogeneous flesh putrifies in the long intestine for 3 days at a temperature of 98 degrees before it is eliminated; unlike fruit and vegetables. Apes with the same long intestines as humans instinctively know not to poison their bodies in this manner and are natural vegetarians. We all have the hands to hold fruit, not the claws to rip flesh, and our canines are not as long as the lions are to eat their kill. God intended the entire human race to follow a vegetarian diet, but if anyone, including Sarah Palin who seems to glory in the fact that she has aerial hunters gun down the wolves in Alaska where many are just left to suffer and bleed to death, and the fact she is such an avid hunter and thinks nothing of hunting and eating buffalo; well then so be it. It is wrong, whether sarcastic or not. There is nothing funny about her statements, and I for one do not want to lighten up over something very serious - the killing and inhumane treatment of God's precious creatures.

God did give man freedom of choice, AFTER setting down the laws, but that does not mean that man chooses wisely..just as parents will set down the rules for their children and pray they will obey them. They do not always and end up in dire straits.

Meat is not only murder, it is poison to our system.

Joy Ray
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The most-repeated argument against biblical vegetarianism I've gotten from Christians is that they think they are no longer under Mosaic Law, because the apostle Paul referred to his background as a former Pharisee and his previous adherence to Mosaic Law (with its dietary laws, commandments calling for the humane treatment of animals, etc.) as "so much garbage." (Philippians 3:4-8)

There is nothing in the synoptic gospels of Jesus, however, to suggest a fundamental break with Judaism. Jesus was called "Rabbi," meaning "Master" or "Teacher," 42 times in the gospels. The ministry of Jesus was a rabbinic one. Jesus related scripture and God's laws to everyday life, teaching by personal example. He engaged in healing and acts of mercy. He told stories or parables--a rabbinic method of teaching. He went to the synagogue (Matthew 12:9), taught in the synagogues (Matthew 4:23, 13:54; Mark 1:39), expressed concern for Jairus, "one of the rulers of the synagogue" (Mark 5:36) and it "was his custom" to go to the synagogue (Luke 4:16).

Jesus began his ministry by teaching the multitudes not to "give what is sacred to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine." (Matthew 7:6) Dogs, like swine, were considered foul and unclean by the Hebrew people. (Deuteronomy 23:18; I Samuel 24:14; II Kings 8:13; Psalm 22:16,20; Matthew 7:6; Luke 16:21; Revelations 22:15) These words were used by the children of Israel to describe the neighboring heathen populations.

When sending his disciples out to preach, Jesus instructed them not to go to the gentiles, but to "go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6) When a Canaanite woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter, he replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." (Matthew 15:22-28)

Jesus regarded the gentiles as "dogs." His gospel was intended for the Jewish people. Even the apostle Paul admits that the gospel was first intended for the Jews, and that the Jews have every advantage over the gentiles in this regard (Romans 1:16, 3:1-2).

When a scribe asked Jesus what is the greatest commandment in the Torah, Jesus began with "Hear O Israel, the Lord, thy God, is One Lord." This is the Shema, which is still heard in every synagogue service to this day. "And you shall love the Lord with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength...And you shall love your neighbor as yourself," Jesus concluded.

When the scribe agreed that God is one and that to love Him completely and also love one's neighbor as oneself is "more important than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices," Jesus replied, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." (Matthew 22:36-40; Mark 12:29-34; Luke 10:25-28)

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus himself said, "Do not suppose I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill...till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or tittle pass from the Law till all is fulfilled. Whoever, therefore, breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven...unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Jesus also upheld the Torah in Luke 16:17: "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest portion of the Law to become invalid."

Nor do these words refer merely to the Ten Commandments. Jesus meant the entire Torah: 613 commandments. When a man asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus replied, "You know the commandments." He then quoted not just the Ten Commandments, but a commandment from Leviticus 19:13 as well: "Do not defraud." (Mark 10:17-22)

Jesus' disciples were once accused by the scribes and Pharisees of violating rabbinical tradition (Matthew 15:1-2; Mark 7:5), but not biblical law. At no place in the entire New Testament does Jesus ever proclaim Torah or the Law of Moses to be abolished; this was the theology of Paul, a former Pharisee who never knew Jesus, but who used to persecute Jesus' followers. Paul openly identified himself not as a Jew but as a Roman (Acts 22:25-26) and an apostate from Judaism (Philippians 3:4-8)

Sometimes Christians cite Matthew 7:12, where Jesus says "Do unto others..." and this "covers" the Law and the prophets. But Jesus was merely repeating in the positive what Rabbi Hillel taught a generation earlier. No one took Hillel's words to mean the Law had been abolished--why should we assume this of Jesus?

If Jesus really came to abolish the Law and the prophets, Simon (Peter) would not have resisted a divine command to kill and eat both "clean" and "unclean" animals (Acts 10), nor would there have been a debate in the early church as to what extent the gentiles were to observe Mosaic Law (Acts 15). When Paul visited the church at Jerusalem, James and the elders told him all its members were "zealous for the Law," and that they were worried because they heard rumors that Paul was preaching against Mosaic Law (Acts 21).

None of these events would have happened had Jesus really come to abolish the Law and the prophets. Jesus not only repeatedly upheld Mosaic Law, he justified his healing on the Sabbath by referring to commandments calling for the humane treatment of animals!

While teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath, Jesus healed a woman who had been ill for eighteen years. He justified his healing work on the Sabbath by referring to biblical passages calling for the humane treatment of animals as well as their rest on the Sabbath. "So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?" Jesus asked. (Luke 13:10-16)

On yet another occasion, Jesus again referred to Torah teaching on "tsa'ar ba'alei chayim" or compassion for animals to justify healing on the Sabbath. "Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 14:1-5)

Jesus compared saving sinners who had gone astray from God's kingdom to rescuing lost sheep. He recalled a Jewish legend about Moses' compassion as a shepherd for his flock:

"For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. What do you think? Who among you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it," Jesus continued, "he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home,he calls together his friends and neighbors saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!'

"I say to you, likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance...there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." (Matthew 18:11-13; Luke 15:3-7,10)

Paul, on the other hand, said if anyone has confidence in Mosaic Law, "I am ahead of him" (Philippians 3:4-8). Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said he did not come to abolish the Law and the prophets? Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said whoever sets aside even the least of the laws demands shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-19)?

Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who taught that following the commandments of God is the only way to eternal life (Mark 10:17-22)? Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest portion of the Law to become invalid (Luke 16:17)?

Paul may have regarded his previous adherence to Mosaic Law as "so much garbage," but it should be obvious by now that JESUS DIDN'T THINK THE LAW WAS "GARBAGE"!

If Christians assign greater value to Paul's teachings over those of Jesus, then "Christianity" really is "Paulianity". Bertrand Russell referred to Paul as the "inventor" of Christianity.

I'm not saying Christians should all be circumcised and following Mosaic Law. The Reverend Andrew Linzey, the foremost theologian in the field of animal-human relations and author of Christianity and the Rights of Animals (1987), rejected such an approach in a 1989 interview with the Animals' Agenda.

I'm merely saying that Christianity for the past 2000 years has been based on a misunderstanding. My friend Rankin Fisher (a former Missionary Baptist minister), quoted a Methodist minister friend of his as having admitted, "We (Christians) aren't really following Jesus. We're following Paul."

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It's sadly obvious that she doesn't know about a compassionate lifestyle especially as a Christian. We will know them by their fruits.
God created animals to be our companions. After sin entered the world, God had to put the fear of man into them (Gen. 9) because we abused them.
Vasu Murti is a scholar in my opinion who is pro-life for all life.
There are many videos coming out, one which I produced can be seen online called "Christian Concern for All God's Creatures". Enjoy!


Jan Fredericks
Founder, God's Creatures Ministry
www.Godscreaturesministry.org

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It’s pretty sad when one of our “potential” presidential candidates can do no better than to plagiarize a couple of common bumper sticker slogans while trying to be clever in a brand new book.

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Who cares what she has to say? Set an example and use data from the present about what ingesting animals and animal products does to humans, the earth, and above all, the animals themselves. People will either get it, or they won't, or they'll find out the hard way. As a budding CNS/RD, it saddens me when I hear those close to me say, "you need meat to live", yet they refuse to even cut back, let alone cease, ingestion of animals or animal products.

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Life is challenging enough already without burdening ourselves with emotional reactions to the actions or words of others who choose a different path. You are not responsible for changing anyone but yourself.

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Well Celiac Vegan,...I am now FORCED to Believe that YOU are actually FAR MORE IGNORANT than Sara Palin!!!!

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I see quite a few threads posted here trying to tell other People what they supposedly should and should not be offended by.That of course is not respecting other People's right to be Offended.People have a Right to feel the way they do about suff and about other People. I'm not saying or endorsing what Celtic Vegan recently posted though.NOT responsible for changing anyone but OurSELVES???? I can't BELIEVE that a friggin VEGAN would POST that sort of thing!!!!

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If you choose to believe that you are responsible for changing other people to think the way you do and for getting upset each time people disagree with you, then do that.
The last thing we need is for vegans to attack other vegans for not trying to convince everyone to be vegan or for not getting upset when someone like Palin makes a disparaging ill-informed remark. Live by example and others will follow your example if they choose, but we are all on a different path and enforcing your version of vegan morality is a path to your own misery and suffering. Being vegan is about freeing yourself from the snake like instinctive response to strike whenever someone suggests a course of action different from the one you chose. Being vegan is about health, happiness, and harmony. Why are you so angry? Why do you care so much about what other people say?

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Hey listan Celtic Vegan,..You have got it all wrong!!! Ido NOT get upset everytime People disagree with Me!! It's only when People INSULT ME and make RASIST REMARKS about ME being a LATINO WITH DWARFISM that I get really upset!! AND WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME CELTIC VEGAN??!!??SHAME ON YOU!! MY MOM AND DAD WE'RE BOTH HIPPIES FOR YOU'RE INFORMATION!!!!

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HOW DARE YOU INSULT ME AND JUDGE ME LIKE THAT CALIAC VEGAN!!!YOU ARE SO FULL OF CRAP CELIAC VEGAN!!!!EVERYTHING YOU HAVE POSTED HERE SO FAR IS A BIG FAT LIE AND YOU ARE REALLY PISSING ME OFF WITH YOU'RE IGNORANCE AND UTTER STUPIDITY!!!AND AT LEAST I SPEAK THE TRUTH HERE CELIAC VEGAN!!YOU JUST MAKE STUFF UP AND EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT AND THAT'S MORALY AND ETHICALLY WRONG CELIAC VEGAN!!SO I'M GLAD THAT I REPORTED YOU FOR ABUSE!!!!

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If people want to remain ignorant including Sarah Palin (and I am a Republican), then that is their perogative; however when it comes to bring pain and suffering to God's precious creatures, that IS my concern. As far as trying to convince others to be vegetarians because of their health, no matter what sorry state they so choose to be in, well then that is not my business....but God's animals belong to ALL of us, and since Sarah Palin and others choose to hunt the poor wolves in the aerial shootings and leaving them to bleed to death in Alaska and hunt buffalo and brag about it, and how God created them to be next to mashed potatoes, just shows me that she is NOT reading the Bible, even though she claims to be a Christian. God put these animals on the earth for us to love and care for, not to eat. Originally in Adam and Eve's day, the "meat" was from the fruit of the tree and every herb bearing seed", and Adam was given dominion (love and caring) over them all....all of God's creation. The soul is defined in the Good Book as having a mind, a will and emotions...and the Spirit guides the soul. What animal does not have a spirit? Therefore, just like innocent babies, all animals will go to heaven WITHOUT having to accept Jesus Christ as the rest of us. Unfortunately Sarah and many others do not understand this, and this IS my business when it comes to bringing harm to our "lower brothers"... forget the health benefits...I would not interfere if folks chose to eat themselves silly............if it did not interfere with the poor defenseless creatures who belong to God, and are supposed to be in our care.
My only regret is that I remained ignorant for too long...
Joy Ray
Rayofjoy@aol.com

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Yes Rayofjoy.I agree compleatly! It is ABSOLUTLY You're Business when People kill,mistreat,and eat the flesh of the Creatures We share the Earth with!

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If people want to remain ignorant including Sarah Palin (and I am a Republican), then that is their perogative; however when it comes to bring pain and suffering to God's precious creatures, that IS my concern. As far as trying to convince others to be vegetarians because of their health, no matter what sorry state they so choose to be in, well then that is not my business....but God's animals belong to ALL of us, and since Sarah Palin and others choose to hunt the poor wolves in the aerial shootings and leaving them to bleed to death in Alaska and hunt buffalo and brag about it, and how God created them to be next to mashed potatoes, just shows me that she is NOT reading the Bible, even though she claims to be a Christian. God put these animals on the earth for us to love and care for, not to eat. Originally in Adam and Eve's day, the "meat" was from the fruit of the tree and every herb bearing seed", and Adam was given dominion (love and caring) over them all....all of God's creation. The soul is defined in the Good Book as having a mind, a will and emotions...and the Spirit guides the soul. What animal does not have a spirit? Therefore, just like innocent babies, all animals will go to heaven WITHOUT having to accept Jesus Christ as the rest of us. Unfortunately Sarah and many others do not understand this, and this IS my business when it comes to bringing harm to our "lower brothers"... forget the health benefits...I would not interfere if folks chose to eat themselves silly............if it did not interfere with the poor defenseless creatures who belong to God, and are supposed to be in our care.
So you see I am NOT angry that people want to continue to poison their bodies and then cry out for a cure for cancer; just very disappointed in them. I am not angry when I see some poor unhealthy, grossly obese person with swollen ankles in a wheelchair; just very very sad they have not seen the light or choose not to, and I am not angry with those who sit in judgement of us vegetarians stating we are the ones doing the judging, just knowing they are coming from their own mindset of ignorance.... but I AM angry that millions of poor innocent creatures who cannot defend themselves are put "next to the mashed potatoes" as per Ms. Sarah, and then expect the world to laugh with her because she is cute....totally ignorant on this subject, but cute with a "cute personality"....that seems to win over over ignorant individuals.
My only regret is that I remained ignorant for too long.
Joy Ray
Rayofjoy@aol.com

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I just Reported Celtic Vegan for ABUSE People!

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I don't think celiac vegan is being abusive. (And by the way, celiac and celtic mean entirely different things.) I'm Not saying I agree with her, I just don't think her comments warrant a "report abuse" reaction.

In fact, some of the things you have written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS in your posts seem to me to be far more on-the-attack than the posts you are reacting to.

Just my perspective.
Peace be with you.


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Poor ignorant Sarah! Does she really think all the creatures were lining up on the planet waiting for humans to come and eat them! Obviously, if she is attacking vegans and vegetarians, then we are worth attacking! The best counter-attack is to ignore her and continue to live by example....a life of love and compassion to all, including the creatures.

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If Sarah wants to really make a mark on this country, she should donate her $100,000 per talks to Haiti. That would show that she is true Christian at heart. Not that it is going to happen but this is a challenge I'd love to see. As far as her comments, it saddens me that she would say such a thing.

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