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From: Maureen (
Subject:         Re: Corporal Punishment
Date: August 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Corporal Punishment posted by Beth on January 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm:

the problem with teh "spare the rod" quotation so often used is that it is a mistranslation. The "rod" was the shepherd's crook used to grab the sheep and guide it away from danger, not a club to beat the sheep with. We are enjoined to guide and guard our children, not beat them.

my parents used hot sauce, kneeling on gravel, whuppings, and the like because they had 13 kids in 14 years and were just plain overwhelmed and angry at life. The nuns used those methods because they had 65 kids in a classroom and were just plain overwhelmed and angry at life. Period.

The much-maligned "time out" works if done right, in the right circumstances, for the right reasons, but that almost never happens because almost no one has been taught the real theory behind it. the idea is not, as Saysfaa says, to socially isolate, but to deprive the child of reinforcement opportunity for a brief period of time. yes, that means social reinforcement, but it should never imply a withdrawal of the parent's love. Just, nothing interesting is going to be available for a short time. It's meant to break the train of poor behavior and hit a "reset button"; then you reinforce positive behavior as soon as you see it. the idea is to shape more of the right behaviors. If you read Karen Pryor's book "Don't Shoot the Dog", it is the best laymens' explanation of reinforcement (and punishment, how it works or doesn't work, and when and when not to use it) that I have ever come across. It's short, in plain english, and cheap.

I work in a prison. Every one of the inmates I know whas whupped as a kid. It did not teach them good behavior; it did teach them to hide from authority. oops.

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