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From: Elle (
Subject:         Re: How to convince a friend that prayer means something...
Date: October 18, 2008 at 11:00 am PST

In Reply to: How to convince a friend that prayer means something... posted by anon. on October 14, 2008 at 6:26 am:

Everyone gave great responses and I agree with all of their advice. The first thing that I would like to add is that our lives are not pre-destined and second is the scripture is pretty clear how important prayer is and that prayer does make a

I can understand how someone could have this kind of attitude if they believe our lives are pre-destined. That is a pretty hopeless thought. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests that. Maybe if someone pulled a verse out of context they
might could come up with such a conclusion, but I am not sure what verse that would be.

If you start even from the beginning, God created man and gave him a "shall not" and even told him what would happen if he did what he had been commanded not to-- He would surely die. Gen. 2:16-17

God gave man a choice, he did not pre-destin man to disobey.

When Cain and Abel brought their offerings to the Lord, He did not respect Cain's offering. Cain was angry and this is what the Lord said,

6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not
do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." Gen. 4:6-7

Cain was not pre-destined to bring an offering that was unacceptable. It was a choice he made and the Lord offered the opportunity for him to do the right thing.

When God sent Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, God was always faithful, it was always the people whose constant complaining, lack of trust, and disobedience that cause them trouble. Even when God wanted to wipe them out and start over with Moses, Moses prayed for God not to and He didn't. This is found in Deut. Chap. 9

The 5th commandment about Honor your father and mother is about making a choice and the benefits of obeying this commandment ---that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you.... Deut. 5:16

Numbers 11:1-3
1 Now the people complained about their hardships in the hearing of the LORD, and when he heard them his anger was aroused. Then fire from the LORD
burned among them and consumed some of the outskirts of the camp. 2 When the people cried out to Moses, he prayed to the LORD and the fire died down. 3 So that place was called Taberah, [a] because fire from the LORD had burned among them.

At the Last Supper Jesus said this to Simon Peter:
Luke 22:31-32
31"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you[a] as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."

Jesus was always praying, Jesus stressed the importance of prayer and if our lives were pre-destined then there would have been no reason for Jesus to pray or instruct others to pray. We also can't forget the faith part of that either.

There are so many examples throughout the scriptures that prove that prayer does make a difference and proves that our lives are not pre-destined.

The choices we make in life have so much to do with how our lives turn out. There are some things that can be more easily identified as to why things may
happen because of a bad choice, and there are other things that we can't figure out. The bottom line for why bad things happen though is because for now, we live in a sinful world and we have an enemy who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy.

My brother was killed 18 years ago in an alcohol related car accident. He was a month shy of turning 19. I believe that God knew this was going to happen but God did not pre-destin my brother to go drinking with his friends and get into the car with a drunk driver. That was a choice my brother made. Why some people can drink and drive all of their lives and never be in an accident I can't explain. Maybe they are not saved yet and they have someone praying for them to be saved.

Although my brother made a bad choice, I know that he had accepted Jesus as his Savior. I know that I will see him again.

The most important decision anyone can make is accepting the gift of salvation through faith in Christ. The Lord desires a relationship with us and wants us to know Him. We can't always understand everything, but we can always trust Him.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.

9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;

6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.

I hope this helps. I could go on and on with examples, but I will stop now. I will be praying for you and for your friend.


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