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From: annie (
Subject:         *Some* Things haven't changed...
Date: August 7, 2010 at 10:24 pm PST

In Reply to: Things haven't changed... posted by Sally on August 5, 2010 at 5:18 pm:

Sally said:
"I quit looking at this board about 7 years ago because I was tired of the constant hatred and attacks on anyone who dared to post an opposing viewpoint. I see that the board was recently cleared because of this issue, yet things haven't changed. ...Take a look at the headings for the very first posts put back on the board:

I'm going to quit giving this fat, dung spewing fool the attentions he so richly desires.... - annie 6/28/10 (1)
This is true - Millie 6/28/10 (0)
From the man caught on an airplane w/sex pills - Millie 6/18/10 (1)
Good Question.... I'm perplexed....Birds of a feather?/nt - Jaq 6/19/10 (0)

Okay - so it is a crime to be fat? to have a certain type of medication? to be married multiple times?"

Annie's answer:
(Noticibly, Sally, you skipped mentioning the actual first post, which is what those comments were in answer to, and which is pretty important, given that it illustrated exactly why those comments were not entirely unwarranted, if rather course.)

No, of course it's not a crime to be fat, or else I'd be typing this from some prison.

It is however, arguably evil to be fat, due to exceptional comfort and wealth, and yet make fun of people who have far less, most especially children from poor families, let alone suggest that dumpster diving is a suitable way for children to feed themselves. Contrary to Mr. Limbaugh's claims, being poor does not mean you are not hard working, don't love your kids, or are a hopeless drug addict who spends your welfare check on your habit.

He also would prefer that you forget that he was (perhaps still is) a drug addict, especially since he was, at the time loudly denouncing drug addicts as scum-bags, and useless drains on humanity, thereby putting himself in the ballot for being judged as such.

He also was loudly spouting about how the sanctity of marriage is at stake, set to be destroyed by those horrible, scarey, icky, stupid, evil, tree-hugging, social-ist, commie, yadayadayada (insert endless list of ugly and untrue blanket accusations of anyone who disagrees with him, here) (gasp) "liberals", while not having any claim to honoring the sanctity of his own.

If you do not see reason to consider him unworthy of serious consideration due to those glaring hypocrisies, then, by all means, continue to enjoy his company via his broadcasts.

Sally asked, "Do any of these have anything to do with a controversial issue?"

annie's answer:
They certainly have to do with Mr. Limbaugh, who is, quite clearly, a controversial topic, and makes an issue of such things.

Sally said: "Apparently Jaq thinks I am an "idiot" because I dare to listen to Limbaugh. I assure you, I am no idiot. I merely disagree with many of the liberal posters on this board.

I am a person who believes in personal responsibility, not government handouts. I believe individuals should pay for their own food, housing, education, and health care. I believe in freedom - the freedom to earn as much as you want to and are able to earn, the freedom to choose how your money will be spent, and even the freedom to make poor choices. Will some people have an easy time while others struggle? Yes. Life isn't fair, and no matter how much money the government takes from one group and gives to another, life still won't be fair. "

Annie's answer:
We believe in personal responsibility too. Personally, I don't see social programs as "government handouts", but as funds I willingly contribute to be used for the benefit of those less fortunate than myself. I consider it the equivalent of tithing to the church, only without the requirement that people attend the same church as I do, or any church, for that matter.

And you are absolutely right. Life is not fair, and no amount of money will make it so. But a small amount contributed by many can make life a whole lot easier for people who have worked hard, tried hard, and still end up in bad circumstances, beyond their control. Is it OK to deny help to all just because some abuse it? Certainly, work on curbing those abuses, but don't just yank the safety net out from under people who are really trying to take responsibility.

We have the freedom to earn as much as we can, but we have the responsibility not to cheat people to make it (hence regulations that govern corporate and market behavior), not to take professional favors in trade for votes (hence regulations that govern contributions, gifts and bribes), not to lie, cheat and steal (see above), and to protect the people who buy our services or products, as well as those who help us manufacture them (hence regulations that deal with worker safety, fair pay, and child labor issues, as well as consumer protection from poisons and other dangers).

Government is not the problem. People who lie, cheat and steal are.

Rush Limbaugh lies. He's part of the problem. He lies about who is good and bad, and about who you should trust and who you shouldn't. He tells you to fear me. If you listen to him without keeping that uncomfortable fact in mind, then you are apt not to look further for someone to blame than me, or the other folks here who disagree with him, or the poor, or the foreign, or the non-Christian, or whatever other divisive distinction that is handy. That does not make you an idiot in my eyes, but it does make you very hard to talk to on any of these controversial issues.

I agree with everybody here on some, though nobody on all issues. We all have different ideas of how to express ourselves. I don't tell anyone what to say or how to say it, but I do, usually, call anyone on it, if I see they've been unfair.

I am not the site owner, and I am not able to read each and every post, so if I do not point it out, it's not because I don't hold one side as responsible as the other(s).

I don't usually write such angry things as that comment about Mr. Limbaugh, but it was the umpteenth time he'd said something patently false, implying that I, and people like me, are what is wrong with this country, and I was (still am), sick and tired of his attitude and words. I apologize for offending you with my comment, but I fully intended to offend him.

I know life isn't fair. But I do my best to make sure all of it that I have influence over is. The fact that Mr. Limbaugh identifies me as the enemy is hardly surprising to me. The fact that you do too, is unfortunate.

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