When I am in a group, I alternate between giving a fact about animal abuse and simply staying quiet, for the exact same reasons as you. If I say things in a joking manner, I can get away with saying more!
What is very frustrating for me is, I have T-shirts that are vegan T-shirts and I would love to wear them to the grocery store, but I have to buy for the family, and I am the only vegan. They have improved their diets quite a bit since I went vegan almost four years ago, but still hold on to what will enable them to eat their favorite foods. It does not pay for me to argue, so I sadly purchase products for them and never get to wear my T-shirts.
Most of my activism is done by researching and writing or outside of employment or family.
I am part of the atheist community on YouTube, so I have seen many people be false flagged over the years simply due to other people hating our thoughts. I assume that is what happened here; someone flagged you because they wanted to eat meat and didn't like your scientific results, most likely.
I'm so glad your account is back up. I wish YouTube had a better system in place for judging the contents of videos, and that they were easier to reach. I have seen people lose their accounts permanently, so we are very fortunate we can still get groundbreaking information about nutrition and health from you!
I also wonder just how humane these farms really are. Do they castrate without anesthesia? What do they do if they have too many males born to dairy cows for their farm size? Are the males automatically veal calves, or do they use these as beef cows, or are they sold or slaughtered?
Where do they get their beef cattle? Do they purchase them as calves? Were the parents artificially inseminated from a captive breeding breeding facility?
There are just so many questions unanswered and so many possibilities of cruelty even on "humane" farms.
I appreciate you clarifying the video's results. I'd rather get an honest assessment and not think "I am totally healthy" simply because I am eating vegan.
When I first started as a vegan, I ate lots of Reece's Puffs and hydrogenated peanut butter and probably ate a lot of palm oil. I went vegan for the animals (but again didn't know the connection of palm oil to orangutans' habitats), and didn't think about the health benefits much.
I don't know how I found out about Dr. McDougall, but I started reading his newsletter articles and became enlightened about the importance of having clean arteries. It took awhile to become more educated about what to eat. There are lots of variations to the vegan diet, so I'm sure results can vary greatly!
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Lots of good comments above, agreed that it is an 'ethical dilemma' and I am convinced that what we say to non-vegans about animal suffering at dinner time is mostly just going to alienate them and make them resentful. Change comes slowly, vegan numbers are growing but it may take decades (if were still around)to see a real turnaround in significant number of vegan diets/lifestyles in the human population.
Setting an example by showing compassion may be the best we can do. I am very thankful to those who lead a vegan lifestyle
It's interesting that for children, the purity of life is an essence they need never ponder. When a child sees cruelty or death, they react instantly with horror. Once adulthood is attained it appears that we then begin to debate who and "what" is deemed good enough for life. As vegans it is clear to us that no life should be taken ever, period, end of story.
There cannot be any such concept as "humane killing". Euthanizing a pet is still killing. Therefore killing for food is unacceptable. Since non human animals have no voice, they cannot communicate with us whether its actually ok for us to murder them. I would think by their release of fear hormones and terror they are NOT giving anyone their permission.
As to vegans "owning" pets which under the law are still considered property, all vegans should always very seriously consider this. We consider ourselves highly superior to all other species and pet owning particularly if they are part of the slaughter house industry is a huge NO NO. Vegan fed pets are somewhat acceptable however, the euthanasia issue remains a sword of Damocles.
Jeff, in your article you mention the "low protein, low calorie diet of raw foods" of the vegans in the study
but you fail to mention their overall fat intake was 42.8%. Don't you think that bears mentioning?
Hi Chris -- you're right, the vegans were eating a high fat diet with olive oil and nuts. But the fact it was low in calories seems to be the key, along with being low in saturated fat and protein. Again, this was a study looking at IGF-1 levels and other markers for cancer. Using it as a study about "vegan couch potatoes" vs. marathoners and carotid artery measurements -- is quite odd and really doesn't inform the average person about anything useful, in my opinion. And yet many vegans initially felt it signified a great deal. That's why I wrote about it. Cheers.
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