We have 'good' news for you (maybe) if you DON'T live in OHIO where the Ohio EPA has made up a bunch of rules that make the water we buy from the local water company into STATE WATER once it leaves our faucet.
Heck even the urine that your body produces is State Water and they have rules to say what you can do with it even after our experimental sanitation system, still in the process of fighting for approval, cleans it to bathing quality cleanness, yeah tested by that same Ohio EPA's best labs. So we're being told. If I drink Ohio's water and then urinate in Kentucky, who's water is it?? The rule makers are totally out of the bounds of sanity. That urine has been converted to a body-friendly antiseptic formerly used in battlefield wound cleaning, and now being used as fertilizer in Finland, Sweden, South Africa, etc. Not to mention having been shown to be better as fertilizer than the petroleum based fertilizer. Gee, I guess you are competing with Monsanto or DuPont, etc. Whose urine is it...
We argued that the water coming from our constructed wetlands greywater system was as clean as the water from our blessedly left outdoor hose and so we should be able to use that bathing quality water to replenish the water in our frog pond that we built for our habitat use. No, no they say. That's never allowed in Ohio. Even that hose water is subject to their laws and rules... well, almost. If you run the hose to your above ground pool, rather like the frog pond, then there are different rules than for the frogs and while it's in the pool it's not state water, yet.
I'd suggest that you check your own state's EPA regulations for water and your rights to own it and use it yourself. And this is February 2011. We're not suggesting that you should protest in our defense. Go protest in your own state if you take the effort to pursue your own state EPA rules and find out you're also robbed after *buying* that water from the local water utility as we have.
And the same probably applies to the rainwater that falls on our greywater wetlands. How can you tell which drop came as rain and which was greywater from our home? And maybe that rain came from Indiana, so whose water is it once it falls in Ohio? Clearly we have too many laws. Once the water gets back to some recognized creek, river or lake that would make some sense to call it state water. But on your own land?
If I let it wash out the neighbor's front flowerveds, then would the state be liable or would I? I think we should take responsibility for our own water and its use. Why don't we take this out of government's hands and take our own scientific methods and be responsible for controlling our own handiwork.
Don't assume this problem is solved just because some big player in the city got through the hoops.
Disappointed since I am no vegan -- vegetarian instead, almost. I was looking forward to what had been promised in the video PR being circulated, namely that this would talk about civilizations that were trim and healthy and what they ate, or didn't.
Not that the potato info was unwelcome nor undesirable, BUT when McDougall pulls that nonsensical stunt about there being no nutrient value in the oil that was added to the potato experiment diet, I about dropped the keyboard. Imagine that, no nutrient value in olive oil. But the idea that this was all that trim and healthy people would need was outrageous. No green leafies! for 6 months, no outside diversity of nutrients to carry the needed A's and D's and no B12. Maybe the potatoes weren't quite so clean back in the 1920s so maybe insect protein was in the diet, without much notice.
Then to switch to the civilization connection after this deficient example of a derelict diet, to give sheen to the derelict idea is tantamount to bold lies.
How amazing an idea, about the gases that human bodies produce as part of their digestive processes... THE REALLY AMAZING IDEA IS THAT VEGANS ARE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL.. THOSE WHO ESPOUSE THESE VEGETABLE-BASED DIETS SHOULD BE TELLING THE WORLD THE SHOCKING TRUTH.
THAT EATING PROPERLY MAKES THE BODY GASES CLEAN AND NOT AT ALL ANYTHING TO BE EMBARRASSED ABOUT.
THE DIGESTIVE PROCESSES ARE BASICALLY MESOPHILLIC COMPOSTING AND THERE SHOULD BE NO SMELL FROM THAT PROCESS.
IF THERE WERE, THEN IT'S TIME TO START ROUTING THROUGH THE LIST OF FOOD ITEMS TO FIND WHERE THE PROBLEM IS COMING FROM.
SURELY VEGANS ARE NOT SO TIMID OTHERWISE, SO WHY NOT MAKE THIS AN ISSUE. BODY GASES SHOULD BE THE GAGE OF HOW WELL YOU ARE MANAGING YOUR DIET.
MAKE THE EXCESSIVE MEAT-EATERS RUN FOR COVER BECAUSE THEIR BODY GASES ARE WHY THE CORPORATIONS MAKE BIG MONEY -- FROM COLOGNES TO PHARMACEUTICALS.
SAME WITH SWEAT. SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT RELATED.
EVEN VEGANS NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR OVER PROCESSED PHONEY FOODS, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST AVOID ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS.
BE BRAVE, BE RADICAL, BE LIBERATED. BE BOLD AND TRUTHFUL ABOUT BODY GASES AS A PROPER GAGE OF PROPER DIET.
No posts published so far.
Don't know what you're referring to when you say "video PR being circulated," but you can view the full talk from Dr. McDougall, it's linked below that video above. The link for Dr. McDougall's full 75-minute talk is here:
On the nutrient makeup of oil, there isn't much there. For example, one tbsp. of extra virgin olive oil has 120 calories and 13.5g of fat. Because oil is 100 percent fat, it contains no protein or carbohydrates and has only very small amounts of any nutrients. Oil is a processed food, and for health, avoid processed foods. Oils are also bad for your heart, some being worse than others. As the saying goes, the fat you eat is the fat you wear.
I suggest you watch Dr. McDougall's full talk if you're seeking more information.
From Jeff Novick MS RD:
All food, including fresh vegetables, fruits, starchy vegetables, legumes, nuts and seeds, have natural toxins in them. Many of these occur naturally in the food and are part of the plants natural defense system. Bruce Ames has published some articles on this, showing just how many toxic chemicals occur naturally in common fruits and veggies.
Ames, B. N., Profet, M. and Gold, L. S. (1990) Dietary Pesticides (99.99% All Natural). Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 87, 7777-7781
Ames, B. N. (1990) Natural Carcinogens: They're Found in Many Foods. In: Health & Environment Digest, B. Murdock, ed., pp. 4
So, the real issue is not whether or not a food has any toxic chemical in it, but how much of the toxic chemical is in the food and does it exist at a level that can be toxic to humans. Nicotine occurs in many common vegetables.
N Engl J Med. 1993 Aug 5;329(6):437. The nicotine content of common vegetables.
In regard to nightshades, there is no credible and reputable evidence that the nightshade family is harmful.
Enjoy your potatoes!
There hasn't been a single case of solanine poisoning due to eating potatoes in the United States for more than 50 years.
1) Buy fresh potatoes.
2) Store them in a cool, dry dark place
3) If they show signs of any green tint or green shading, peel away the green or just discard the potato. Do not buy any potatoes that show signs of green tint.
4) remove any "eyes" before cooking.
5) If you have done all the above, enjoy the skin
6) choose sweet potatoes. :)
McDougall Newsletter - July 2011 "The Starch Solution"
White potato "Starch" = blood sugar spike = obesity = diabetes = worse mortality. Evidence based studies proof.
White rice "Starch" = blood sugar spike = obesity = diabetes = worse mortality. Evidence based studies proof.
Vegetables, fruits, legumes, whole grains (in that order) = good nutrition = less obesity = less diabetes = better mortality.
Anti cancer, anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals are in Veggies.
"Starch" as such does NOT have anti cancer, does NOT have anti oxidants, does NOT have vitamins, does NOT have minerals.
"Starch" alone says eat your "white highly processed wheat", eat your "fries", eat your "white highly processed pasta".
Eat you veggies! McDougall emphasizing "Starch" alone harms Vegan movement!
We're dedicated vegans following "The China Study" and other well rounded nutrition suggestions.
"Starch" alone totally puts us off!
We don't even get beyond McDougall's word "Starch" to anything else he says
65A Laurel Hill Road
Hollis, NH 03049
Atlhough McDougall mentions very strong arguments, I'm still not convinced whether to believe him
Copyright ©2012 VegSource Interactive, Inc. Reproduction of material from any VegSource pages without written permission is strictly prohibited.
VEGSOURCE ® is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Mostly Magic Productons, Inc.