Ahhh...I love to read fundamentalist vegan rants like Mark Simon's. His attempts to defend the indefensible are astonishing. Campbell had much to say...but in the words of MacBeth:
…it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Mark is like the emotionally damaged evil child in the room making as much noise possible not only to draw attention to himself but to make every effort to annoy the adults attempting to have a constructive conversation. At best he provides fodder for our amusement as do the ones who enable his childish behavior.

Campbell's response also reminds me of Monty Python's Life of Brian...

BRIAN: It really doesn't matter. The point is there were these two servants--

ARTHUR: He's making it up as he goes along.

BRIAN: No, I'm not! ...And he gave them some ta-- Wait a minute. Were there three?

ARTHUR: Ohh.

EDDIE: Oh, he's terrible!

ARTHUR: He's terrible.

LOL

But what's more funny is your doing EXACTLY the same thing your condeming others for...like being an uninformed, angry, name-calling pud licker. If your not aware of this your most likely a psychopath. If you are aware of what your typing then your probably either venting your frustrations or just having fun stiring things up.

Whatever. =-) The world is full of people like you. Fortunately your a minority.

I like to stir things up myself. Generally the more one criticizes others, the more likely he isn't aware of his own hypocrisy.
But, once you're aware of your own hypocrisy and accepted it as, you're no longer a hypocrite.

I'm only here to learn but so far you've brought nothing to the table but childish comments that are sometimes amusing. Thats fine. Your not interested in the TRUTH...ONLY being RIGHT - just like all your friends. In the meantime, I'll await more insightful INFORMED comments from the likes of Denise supporters.

Your a noise maker nothing more. The adults will continue having lively debate while you have a tantrum in the background. LOL

One thing is clear:
"Mark Simon is woefully ignorant on the subject and keeps proving it every time he writes something new." Sound faimiliar?

Ah, Denise -- the Michelle Malkin of the meat industry!

Mark, Spark's question is valid, in fact anybody's questions are valid, and he was quite reasonable. His question is interesting, and KEY to go from a somewhat informed omnivorous diet to an informed vegan/vegetarian diet, when Health is what is valued. I am vegetarian more because of my ethics than health, but some people are more interested in what diet would be optimal, not ethical. Plus defining well what an optimal diet REALLY is, its important regardless. A diet abundant with vegetables & leafy greens, herbs, Ancient grains (no wheat), some tubers & fruit, and supplemented with some quality animal protein and fat seems to be close to optimal, from what I've learned. Personally Im only interested in optimizing my vegetarian diet, but still itch to know what would be optimal, and what diets are best for treating & preventing illnesses like cancer. Steve Jobs didnt survive his cancer, and he was seemingly going with the Ornish approach (I am aware of the other problems that may have gotten in the way of sucessful diet/lifestyle intervention), now I would love to see someone that believes in a lower carb, meat, fat & plant rich diet, intervene with THAT diet and see if its more protective.