Nice to see those guys getting to explain a plant based "diet" - I hope it's not just viewed as a temporary "diet" though.
Maybe Dr Ornish just didn't want to get into a debate over milk for kids and divert the conversation. You know how agast people are when you start talking about taking away kid's milk... LOL
And come on Wolf... "No..I guess some of the fun things in life?" Shut up Wolf, I am so tired of the life is short BS. really? When You think about the fun things in life, meat and milk come to mind? - what the heck?
Then he tries to get them to argue over the fish oil - Thankfully they didn't since that isn't central to the points they were trying to make.
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Thanks, that gave me some things to think about. Though I am not sure about the electronic zapper thing, it does have a lengthy write up in Quack Watch as you may already know. I'm not here to argue with people though. :)
The largest cats (lions) are a great example of herbivores. The alpha lion, that ol' Big Daddy, has the first choice of the morsels that the females have downed for him: the fermented grain in the animal's stomach. He gets to feast on the b-complex vitamins that give him strength and the poor younger males can only chew on the raw meat for the blood. The cat food makers had to put this stomach digest in their cat food because the cats were getting sick from deficiencies. Now, this seems to have been forgotten, and many cats and dogs are again without the fermented stomach grains, as are most people without sauerkraut and other fermented foods, like rejuvelac, seed and nut cheeses, or transitionally, nutritional yeast.
All of Dr. Wigmore's animals were raw food vegans, except the last little poodle, and that was probably the reason for her death. In her absence, someone gave the puppy chicken, and on her return, the little one refused the food she earlier thrived on. In order not to deprive the pup, Dr. Wigmore bought organic chicken and put a little on top of the Energy Soup she prepared for the dog. She was probably boiling a chicken when the electrical fire started in the old kitchen in the wall and she didn't know that you didn't put out an electrical fire with water. She collapsed and died from smoke inhalation next to the tub with a pail of water in her hands.
Not to worry about the new knowledge that we have to protect our health by washing all of the asbestos, dye, mold and benzene off our apples, or double cook our beans. Dr. Clark added HCl to servings - 2 drops per serving of each item on your plate (e.g. 2 drops on potatoes, 2 drops on green beans, etc.)or dipped in HCl water with 2 drops per cup of water) and added B2 to the apples, kiwi, pears and peaches' soaking water. When you've been diagnosed with cancer, and follow those directions that Dr. Clark gave, you got well. Since I follow a combination of the Wigmore protocol (using fresh wheatgrass juice instead of HCl) and some of what Dr. Clark recommended, I am grateful to be 75 without any troubles, but, I use no nightshades except tomatoes once in awhile, being aware that there are residues of the sheep liver fluke biproducts in tomatoes. Her book has the whole list of what contains the isopropyl alcohol residues, also, that attract the fluke because the alcohol destroys the liver: bottled water is the worst of the offenders. If we want to remain healthy way into our senior years, we just have to research and clean our food and eat organic, local, fresh and raw, as much as possible.
The reason I moved to Florida is because when its 95 degrees F., it's really easy to be raw and there's no way a person can chow down on heavy cooked foods and survive comfortably here in that heat, you sweat so much and sleep fitfully, and need to live indoor in a/c, which is not good for you in the first place. Down here, one can eat the highest vibration foods and feel great and not feel or be deprived.
Thank you DaveS`>
Consumption of agritortured animals "happy death" included, has been a serious concern of ours. Please give more detail, if you can, on how to..."do it right."
Thank you Dave S. on how to make the transition for a feline diet, if we dare.
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