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Ms. Minger makes extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. The strength of a conclusion is a function of the
quality of the evidence provided in its support and the a priori probability of the claim being supported. Suppose, for example, that a reasonably
reliable source tells me (a) that former President Bush choked on another pretzel and (b) that Dick Cheney has switched to the Democrat party. I would be much more confident of the truth of the first report than of the second,
even though the source is identical. The difference lies in the a priori plausibility of the claims.
In her Facebook profile, Ms. Minger lists one college: a community college in Flagstaff, Arizona, and notes that she is a "Professional Sock Puppeteer" - hardly comparable qualifications to Campbell's 50+ years researching and publishing on nutrition and health.
Because Ms. Minger's claims have a very low a priori probability, it means that potential biases and research flaws are more plausible as explanations for her claimed "findings" than is the truth of the claims.
The real mystery is why a "Professional Sock Puppeteer" would attack such well-defended findings of a noted expert that have already survived scrutiny by more informed, better trained and more thoughtful people, but I won't waste time investigating her motives - if I turn to her expertise in the future, it will only be to watch her play with her sock puppets.
I posted several comments, all in a measured tone, on Dr. Mercola's site to rebut his claims about Dr. Campbell's work, and my most direct comment, in which I pointed out factual errors in Dr. Mercola's comments, was deleted! When I posted again and asked if others had their comments deleted--lo and behold--I could no longer access the site (the site claimed they were doing 'list maintenance').
Dr. Mercola's attempt to tear down decades of work and dozens of peer-reviewed papers with baseless rhetoric and uncited, unsupported claims of observations from his own practice have no place in any honest discussion of nutrition, biochemistry, human health, or any other field for that matter.
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Would you take Ancel Keys seriously, simply because he was a Scientist? What about his flawed Lipid Hypothesis?
All people -- Scientists, Doctors, English Majors -- are fallible. The person of value and integrity is the one that can say "In light of this new data, I can see that my previous position was wrong."
People all over the world thrive on a variety of diets. Stop placing people on a pedestal and claiming their way is the "only" or the "right" way.
A fact is only a fact until it's proven wrong.
So many things over the last 50 years (especially) have been proven wrong. Yet, we keep the misinformation alive in the collective psyche by continuing to regurgitate it without actually doing our own research.
Example: "Everyone KNOWS that saturated fat causes heart disease!" Right? WRONG!
I'm not trying to convince anyone to eat meat, not eat meat, or debate anyone about the ethics of eating animals. That's none of my business.
What I AM suggesting, however, is to become TRULY informed, before rendering a life-altering decision about what you put into your body. Then, living with the consequences of your decision.
This means going beyond the headlines of CNN and Yahoo. It also means going into the opposition's camp with an inquisitive mind and a desire to find what's true for you -- not simply for the sake of being "right."
In closing, no matter what path people follow, I hope they do it with enough information from ALL sides. Then, they become responsible for their own health, rather than abdicating it to others. When we get so entrenched in a position, we become more concerned about being "right" than being "correct." I wish for everyone to thrive.
I cannot believe this is true neither. Fun though to see how tough the discussion has got (: to be ostheopath or not to be (:
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i know I'm coming to the discussion a bit late, but i appreciate tedoymisojos observation that Denise came at this (as does everyone) with a personal goal (bias) of solving her own health problem. i find it hard to argue with someone who doesn't feel good and works diligently to understand their own health issues. If we can compassionately look at the common ground between all these so called different diet approaches we can likely help each other on those topics we all agree on. Denise actually eats mostly vegan, and probably healthier than most vegans and vegetarians... despite a few bites of animal protein... no one really knows if she'll get cancer or heart disease, but if she feels better eating 10% meat, there's gotta be more to the holistic approach of health that Campbell has devoted his life to. I would love to see the two of them find common ground even if they disagree on 10-20%. i feel like they're 80% on the same page in terms of what they actually choose to eat.
Imagine if the Vegans, Vegetarians, Paleo's, Compassionate Omnivores, etc came together and worked for real change in the world - We all agree on getting rid of factory farms, big GMO/Pesticide Agriculture, getting rid of political corruption that promotes processed and harmful foods to kids (and adults) and lobbies for misleading marketing, big pharma's manipulation of the public into relying on drugs over holistic health and nutrition.
Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but i would drop my insistence on a 100% Whole Food Plant based diet to work together with Denise and others on the issues we DO agree on and make some real change!!!
One thing that you have to remember is that meat eaters are as addicted to meat as those who use heroin are to their drug.
Try to tell a heroin user, they should stop. They may find out once it is too late, but until then, they will stand firm in the idea that heroin is not damaging their health.
I have also learned to let people see the results by changes in me, then let them ask questions.
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