this "information" in his article about Walsh as the justification
for Cohen's refusal to answer or comment on criticisms which Walsh
has made about the scientific accuracy of some of Cohen's work.
(VegSource also recently ran an "Open Letter to Rob Cohen" from
Walsh where he discussed this.)
An excerpt from
Cohen's article making these claims against Walsh is quoted at the
bottom of this page.
Cohen had previously
made these charges about Walsh in a private email to me, but provided
no evidence to back them up, and I did not believe them. I had also
read Walsh's account of what had happened during Cohen's talks in
London. Walsh's account has since been corroborated by leading vegans
in UK vegan groups whom I have known and respected for years, and
who wrote to me during the past 24 hours to express shock at Cohen's
terms of service on VegSource do not permit people we host to publish
slander or violate copyrights, I removed the article from Cohen's
NotMilk website last night, and wrote to Cohen that I had done so
and why. VegSource is not unlike any other ISP which reserves the
right to take action when standard terms of service are violated.
Cohen had previously
refused to remove copyrighted materials from websites he owns after
the copyright owner had asked him to do so. Because Cohen had at
that time incorrectly claimed he had a right to publish other people's
articles on his websites if he wanted, and because Cohen has become
unstable and increasingly dishonest, I changed the password for
the NotMilk.com site so that Cohen cannot update it further. I informed
Cohen last night that I had removed the article and changed the
password to access his site.
I did this not
only because I can no longer trust Cohen to act responsibly, but
because Cohen had told me 16 days ago on January 22 that he would
be moving his six websites from my server to another ISP. However,
according to Internic records, as of today - more than two weeks
later - no change has gone through and his sites are still on my
server. It is my hope that he will be motivated to move a little
faster in actually taking his sites elsewhere by doing this. I have
reprinted below a copy of my email to Cohen last night.
In keeping with
Cohen's style of lying and inventing facts, Cohen today put out
a release on his email list that he had been "hacked" and the "hacker"
had changed his passwords, portraying himself as the victim of some
Of course Cohen's
site was not hacked anymore than his commercials sites were hacked
by the ISP that removed his copyright violations. As they say in
the army, that is SOP (standard operating procedures). As Rob knows
he was locked out of his site for cause, just as another ISP removed
articles from Cohen's sites for copyright violation. That was not
a "hacking" either but was that ISP behaving responsibly by enforcing
their clearly stated terms of service.
As a result
of Cohen's continuing harassment and lies from his yahoogroups mail
list, today I terminated his hosting service and put a message to
this effect on the front of his website. No files on his site have
been destroyed. As soon as he finds new hosting, we will zip his
site and send it to him. The other sites we host for free for Cohen have also been terminated.
does not want to relate the true facts of my interactions with him
because he knows a lot of his very ugly, despicable behavior toward
me and many others will be exposed. This may all come out in any
event. We deal with facts, not innuendo.
Today the Vegan
Society of the United Kingdom released the following statement in
reference to the outlandish lies Cohen has been publishing about
Walsh on his website:
STATEMENT FROM THE UK VEGAN SOCIETY
Robert Cohen, author of the publication 'Milk - the deadly
poison", seems to have slipped from exaggeration, to poetic
licence, to libel.
Since Mr Cohen's visit to London last year, he has consistently
refused to address valid criticisms of his claims from Dr
Stephen Walsh. Mr Cohen's claims unfortunately are often based
on a selective and biased reading of research papers. Inaccurate
and untrue claims are of no help to either serious debate
or the advancement of veganism.
Dr Walsh's measured critiques at the meetings here and through
correspondence have been met with incomprehension and abuse
from Mr Cohen, culminating in the bizarre and libellous statements
that Dr Walsh is an 'infiltrator' and 'stalked' Mr Cohen and
These statements are untrue. Members of the governing Council
of the Vegan Society were present at Mr Cohen's talks and
can fully endorse Dr Walsh's account as entirely accurate.
Until Mr Cohen and his campaign 'Not Milk' cease to make
unsubstantiated and fanciful claims, cooperation with respected
bodies such as the Vegan Society will sadly not be possible.
The Vegan Society
Donald Watson house
7 Battle Road St.
Leonards on Sea East
Sussex TN37 7AA UK
Tel: 0845 45 88244
Fax: 01424 717064
Here is an excerpt from Rob Cohen's libelous article about Stephen
Every great movement in history has been inflitrated by people
wishing to see a particular agenda fail. Those infiltrators are
often spies or saboteurs.
I have been told that Steve Walsh is an infiltrator. I have
been told that Mr. Walsh works for one of Europe's largest chemical
companies. During that recent family trip to England, Walsh traveled
the country attempting to sabotage my talks. He was booed off the
stage in London by the people who know him best (Regents College),
and I admonished the crowd, defending his right to speak. There
were three hundred witnesses to his tirade on that evening, and
that would be easy enough to confirm by contacting any member of
EarthSave London. He went berserk, yelling, "Robert Cohen is a liar,"
to an extremely technical point in my first book, "Milk-The Deadly
Poison" about which he clearly was in error. (Spleen increases of
between 39 and 46 percent by injection to laboratory animals, and
8% by oral ingestion of Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine
The next night, 150 miles away, he did the same thing when I
lectured before an animal rights group. Both times, this raving
man insulted me in the vilest manner in front of my three daughters
and wife. He played to the audience with the same exact "routine,"
after I had set him straight the night before.
His agenda remains clear. He seeks neither truth nor fair debate.
He is a destroyer, who has conned his way into Jeff Nelson's graces,
and I will never again comment on any of Mr. Walsh's points.
Here is a copy of the email I sent to Cohen and his webmaster
last night about the removal of his article on Walsh:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: removal of article
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:05:35 -0800
From: Jeff Nelson
Organization: VegSource Interactive, Inc.
To: Robert Cohen
CC: "Dave Rietz (DORway.com)"
I received an email from Stephen Walsh that you have an article
on your site in which you call him an "infiltrator." Stephen complained
to me that this is false and libelous, and requested that action
be taken to remove it. I looked at the article and have, in fact,
removed it. I have also changed the password for ftp-ing to notmilk.
You said before to me that you believed Walsh to be an infiltrator,
but presented absolutely no evidence to back this up. Regardless
of whether Walsh is or is not an infiltrator (and I have no reason
to believe he is), in the absence of any evidence I agree that your
article is defammatory to him.
When you have a new ISP, it will be their problem and not mine
whether you are defaming someone, and you can publish whatever you
In the meantime, it has been two weeks since you said you would
remove your sites from my server, and checking the internic records
it shows no change has been made to move off VegSource. I will not
shut down your site at this time because I don't want you to be
off the Internet, and I understand from Dave that you have had problems
changing the Internic record. But I know from experience that those
problems can be handled expeditiously using services like Federal
Express, and that Network Solutions has expedited services available
for a fee.
Please save any breath in carping or complaining. I've been more
than fair in giving you free hosting for years, and I certainly
don't deserve to have you telling others I "kicked you off my server"
when we all know that's not true -- you chose to leave rather than
respecting someone else's rights.
Here is a copy of what Stephen Walsh said took place in the
UK, which is endorsed by the witnesses who were present at the talk:
I'll send you my detailed response to Robert re the UK visits again
when I get home on Sunday evening.
Briefly, the errors in [Cohen's] claims are:
I interrupted Robert Cohen only once to say he was lying: when
he said the FDA had dismissed a 46% increase in spleen weight in
rats as biologically insignificant when testing rBGH. My basis for
saying he was lying was the material in his own book which I had
analysed as part of a planned discussion with him (I had sent him
two e-mails prior to the meeting explaining why I regarded a number
of his claims as ill-founded and unwise). At no point did I "scream"
at him. He did not deny he had lied, indeed he said at one point
"What does it matter if I lie?".
This presentation and the second presentation I attended were both
in London, one on Sunday and one on Wednesday. At his second presentation
he did not repeat the statement I had objected to and I simply asked
some questions after his talk. He said he would respond to properly
when he returned to the US but never did.
His claim that I followed him around the country is false. I live
on the outskirts of London and attended his two meetings in London
with friends from the Vegan Society and no other meeting.
His claims that I screamed at him and raved and went berserk are
I never said "Cohen is a liar", though I did say at the first meeting
that he had lied to the audience on two points - which he did not
I was not booed off the stage at Regent's Park. Several individuals
did heckle me vigorously, though one apologised afterwards.
I did not go berserk. Several people congratulated me for speaking
calmly and without aggression. I apologised for my initial interruption
when I spoke during the break in his talk along with other contributors
from the audience.
I was not in error on the point I made: that the FDA always accepted
the 46% increase in spleen weight in injected rats as significant
- a point Cohen knows well to be true as it is in his book, but
about which he mislead his audience on this occasion to make his
case look stronger than it was. Cohen never denied that my point
was correct but instead accused the FDA of lying on another point,
which I did not dispute. I used the stronger term lying rather than
being incorrect as Robert was contradicting his own book and therefore
clearly knew he was not telling the truth. I regret interrupting,
but was stunned by Robert misleading his audience in such a blatant
I did not suggest he was lying at the second meeting (three days
later not one day, in London again not 150 miles away) as he did
not repeat the claims I had objected to. I simply spoke to Robert
before the meeting re some epidemiological evidence and asked a
few questions when speaking once at the end of his talk. He said
he would follow up my questions by e-mail but did not.
Several members of the Vegan Society Council, including its then
vice-chair attended both meetings I attended and can verify what
I said. I can send you copies of the e-mails I exchanged with Robert
before the meeting.