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From: Callie (
Subject:         Re: Puppy lying in urine
Date: January 24, 2012 at 9:55 pm PST

In Reply to: Puppy lying in urine posted by Lynda Boots on January 24, 2012 at 10:35 am:

Linda -- feel free to email me if you want quicker, more in-dept response.

callie at critturs dot com

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It's likely in her prior home she was crated for long periods of time and just got used to lying in her own waste. There is nothing "magic" about a crate -- it simply takes advantage of a **natural** predisposition for a dog to not want to lie in its own waste.

But that is easily overcome if the dog is left in the crate way too long and it can't hold it - then it learns to lie in it's own waste.

I've seen people put an 8 week old puppy in a crate and ASSUME that they can just go to work all day and never let the dog out "because it's in a crate"

A 6 1/2 month old dog can only "hold it" as long as it's been trained to. She probably hasn't had ANY real training. And there is nothing about "telling you" that she has to go out -- again that has to be carefully trained -- and she obviously hasn't been. Usually you have to literally train them HOW to tell you (either by giving them a bell and tapping it with their paw as you go out with them or similar)

Puppy pads are actually impregnated with a urine scent supposedly to "attract" the dog to pee on them -- but if she's lying ON a puppy pad, to her mind she's already lying on urine! Because that's what it smells like!

The best way to housetrain a dog is to leash them to you -- you honestly have to *watch* them all the time. YOU watch for physical signals (like sniffing for a place to go, or circling or simply that they suddenly stand up and start to go) and you simply race them outside.

When you clean up a mess -- I usually take those soaked paper towels and take them outside and PUT them where I want the dog to go. Then I go back in and get them on leash and march straight to that place.

Some people like to "schedule" (meaning they take the dog out at specified intervals -- from a few minutes to however long the dog CAN go without an accident -- hopinig then to catch the dog relieving itself so they can reward.

I prefer to leash them to me and watch for those signals. I need to be aware of every move the dog makes so I can get them outside.

With a dog this untrained you have to start at the very beginning and then literally make it impossible for the dog to screw up.

Even during the night a dog like this probably can't hold it at all long -- so I'd be keeping the dog in a large crate with absorbent stuff at one end and if I hear the dog up and around I'd be taking a trip outside with the dog.

There is absolutely nothing inate, nor "logical" to a dog about having to elminate outside. If this dog was on the street for any length of time then it never had to worry about *where* - it just went any time.

But if there is a lot of kindness and positive feedback to the dog, a lot of dogs who have had to live feral seem to make a huge effort to try to please the human. But if you aren't keeping this dog close enough to you to avoid accidents then you're stuck in a cycle of always being upset with the dog.

Let me know if I can help you -- I'm truly glad to. But I'll need to know a bit more about your situation and how long you have to be away from this dog at a time.

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