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From: Callie (
Subject:         Re: Dog sleepwetting
Date: July 1, 2009 at 7:18 pm PST

In Reply to: Dog sleepwetting posted by Crystal on July 1, 2009 at 12:51 am:

The amitraz in the dips will make them sleep unbelievably deep. And having the ears cropped is likely what caused the demodex to break out so badly.

It can be tied to the amitraz, but she could also have a urinary tract infection -- has she been drinking 'extra'?? that can make it harder for them to 'hold it' - if they're drinking a lot.

My husband and I have developed a protocol for demodectic mange that may help you a lot. If you want to email me I'm happy to send you my article --
callie at critturs dot com

Just put no spaces and put the punctuation in instead of the worlds. (If I post my e-mail I'll get a ton of spam). We've actually been doing this for about 12 years.

No, we sell NOTHING. This is all about using easily available stuff (health store, Wal-mart, etc.) But learning to help boost the immune system while you help build the body.

Have you spayed her? Honestly I would spay her absolutely as soon as possible. I understand some people like them to go thru first heat, but demodex is genetic in origin and she must *not* ever be bred (it would make her break out horrifically anyway -- it is horrible what estrus does to them).

I've linked in the first post I made about her (the pics are graphic - her demodex was HORRIBLE) and there are many posts just above that -- we are in Florida but we went to Texas to get her and drove her back over the July 4, 2008 weekend so if you peruse the posts below (in addition to this first one I've linked in) you'll see how awesome she looksed really quickly.

WE've got the demodex under control -- I never had to dip her AT ALL, and I never had to use ivermectin (in fact, she has a pretty iffy liver, which contributed to the demodex lasting longer than it should but she's doing AWESOME now).

This is what she looked like on July 5, 2008 as we were ready to leave Austin with her:

this is another post with a bit more hair growth:

And then this is what she looks like now on a blue mat at the vets office (I'll just make that one 'appear' I hope)

Like I said -- we do NOT "sell" anything (this is all geared just to HELP the dogs and the folks who love them)-- everything I use you can get locally. But I will help you understand what demodex is and how to battle it.

Vets don't know how to do this -- they want to give a "pill" and frankly for immune-boosting that does not work. They try, with the dips and with ivermectin, to "kill" the mites.

But demodex mites are just plain 100% COMMON. They are everywhere -- every mammal with hair (including you and I) have them - so you absolutely HAVE to boost the body so it can respond to the mites on its own.

Has the incontenence gone on since you've been dipping her? Amitraz makes them sleep SOOOO deeply. And at her age, she's not going to wake herself up -- you will likely just have to wake her up EARLIER to take her out.

word of caution -- amitraz is UNBELIEVABLY hard on the kidneys. As a human, do you realize you aren't supposed to handle it if YOU have diabetes or if you are taking MAO Inhibitors?

It messes with the insulin levels in the body -- and generally is very hard on the kidneys, so I'm not surprised at this at all. And honestly this is a symptom that could last beyond the dips.

However, if this began prior to the dips, then your risk of a UTI is far greater -- some dogs will stop drinking if they have a UTI (which makes it burn more so then they become reticent TO pee because it hurts). But honestly a smart dog will drink TONS because they quicly learn that the more they drink the less it burns to pee. But then it makes it VERY hard to know when they have to potty.

At that age, no way will she understand that she needs to wake you up to go out. But consider how much she's drinking in this whole cascade of events??

Let me know if I can help.

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