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From: Callie (
Subject:         one step at a time
Date: July 17, 2008 at 4:47 pm PST

In Reply to: Re: Nope -- this boy's not housetrained posted by Jennifer on July 17, 2008 at 6:26 am:

Larry has probably learned TO HOLD IT until he **is** crated.

do you keep track of how much he 'goes' when you are outside with him? Do you have a fenced yard or do you walk him?

I'd bet he rarely 'goes' outside or on a walk. HE thinks he's **supposed** to go in his kennel. It's probably a hangover from the times when he was crated at the University and went in his kennel and they just cleaned it up. You didn't 'go' when you were 'with' someone (in a lab room or social area) -- they **expected** him to go in his crate/kennel.

Now, you could do a couple of things.

Is his kennel a wire crate or a Vari-kennel plastic thingy?

I'd bet he's been conditioned (life long) to go on a hard surface. Do you give him the opportunity to GO on hard surfaces and **make sure and certain** he's gone **BEFORE** you leave the house?

He probably won't 'go' on dirt or grass. Not voluntarily. He wants to go on a contained hard surface, right?

So, I'd put him in a small area with a surface especially FOR going on (like just the pan from a crate or something).

The best thing I ever did once with a dog like that was I taught them to go IN the tub.

Seriously -- it's easily washed down and disinfected. Rinse liquid waste down the drain and rinse down a bit of soap or Lysol. Pick solid waste up and flush it.

It takes a bit of training. Pick up his waste from IN the crate and move it TO the hard surface you've chosen (either the tub or even line a big flat boot tray or similar with cheap linoleum -- it will absorb odor after a time but you can just throw it away and cut a new piece). You could do this similar to 'paper training' in that you move the linoleum piece closer to the door and finally OUTSIDE.

I can guarantee that this dog truly doesn't 'get' the idea that you only potty OUTside -- he goes where he's used to going (and probably thinks it's darned inconvenient that he's gotta lay in it but he THINKS he's supposed to go in there).

But the greatest part of the re-training you have to do is to get him to eliminate **before** you go. That may mean you have to change his eating habits so you have enough time to exercise him *before* you leave (which will trigger the need to go). And then get him TO somewhere he is comfy elminating.

Does he elminate AT ALL in your presence? That may be a big deal and one of the first things you'll have to re-train.

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